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Struck Through Grease 61 Penny Counterfeit?

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 Posted 08/09/2016  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Alexer
Coin presses of the day were mechanical knuckle-joint presses with mechanical and/or pneumatic accessories
Most coin presses today are still knuckle joint but hydraulic accessories are available
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 08/09/2016  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well generally speaking DBM what if a planchet already had something like that on it before it entered the striking chamber, what would it look like?..not like a grease strike thats for sure.
Don't get me wrong my first observation I thought PMD too as we have seen these here before...just trying to figure it out thats all.
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 Posted 08/10/2016  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KoolKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What about sheet plastic? what would that look like? I think there`s a third alternative here. Some other substance, that has not been mentioned yet.could very well be hydraulic fluid, if not, no harm done in trying to re-check all the alternatives, if any on this issue. Thank you DBM, Alexer and SPP Ottawa, for this chance to plead my case on this item. I wish I could experiment with a coin press! I will post the weight, on a follow up, Thanks again guys!
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 Posted 08/10/2016  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse was brushed with a Drexel from left to right. The reverse is vertically. Look how metal is moved to the right on the obverse. Almost no distortion on left with extreme movement on right. Cloth brush.
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 Posted 08/10/2016  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After 2 hours of tedious blow torch experimenting and 20 min of trying the different wire brush wheels I have (brass and steel), and watching many videos on how acid reacts to different metals (mostly copper) IMHO its not any of those.
And please explain how a rotating wheel\brush can create doubling,tripling and more, it doesn't IMO, but if it did could someone show us an example?

However I do know that this could be done by using an acid etching method I seen in a video, although it would be really tough to do and require a lot of talent (like a trendy hobo nickel talent) and I don't believe this to be the case.

I would like to point out that most of these coins all have the same look. Why would that be?
This happened to both sides of the coin without ruining the opposite sides. I think it happened all at once.

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Looks like someone took a brand new 1961 cent and treated it to an acid trip and / or a mechanical touch up with a grinding tool Whatever , it never left the Royal Canadian Mint that way. As SPP stated it should be a tad light in weight. Most assuredly nothing but PMD.
There are excellent research articles and books available on the subject of Coin errors. Also if you do not believe any of the experts on here you can always pay some money and send it to CCCS or one of the major US TPG. They are all going to give you the answer you still do not want to hear.
A lot of us experimented with coins when we were younger . Lots of fun . Rock Tumblers , hammers , Mercury , shears, acids , Coca Cola, vises , shop class, drills, electricity , railroad tracks. Just some of the weapons of choice to destroy perfectly normal coins and make them errors.
Enjoy the hobby and let us know how you make out with certifying your "error " cent .
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