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1839/7 Central American Republic (Aka Guatemala) 8 Reales Question

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 Posted 08/12/2016  10:00 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, recently bought this from another CCF'er and was curious about this coin since it is not perfectly round. I couldn't quite capture the not roundness in the pictures well but can definitely feel it. Would this be more indicative of damage or something? Otherwise what other opinions do you have of the coin? Thanks!

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 Posted 08/12/2016  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCollecter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I see it, it's quite common for 17-19th Century coins to not be perfectly round.

I think it's because they used casts instead of cutting out planchets today. Doesn't look like damage to me.
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 Posted 08/12/2016  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah ok was wondering about that I have seen plenty of 18th century coins like that but wasn't sure about 19th century coins. Guess at that time it dependa on the country? Since the US had pretty good round ones.
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 Posted 08/14/2016  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Casting of planchets was not at all common in most of the Republican mints that continued after the Spanish mints closed (or were taken over). Honduras is a notable exception where casting seems to have taken hold.

The normal process (in the CAR) was to roll and laminate a silver strip from small ingots called fillets. The strip was just over one coin in width and could be 6 -10 coins long. These were punched in a rough press - that if worn produced out of round blanks. If the planchets were struck in a screw press BEFORE the edge design was applied (which does vary in some Republican mints) more distortion could appear.

The coin in question was most likely distorted for the two preceding reasons. Mints tended to replace peripheral equipment like blanking presses only when absolutely necessary.

I see no problem with the coin not being exactly round. As always check the edge for silver shaving. That practice was rampant.
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 Posted 08/14/2016  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As always I appreciate your informational replies Bob! Will have to double check for the silver shaving on the side when I get home!
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Mister Kairu One other thing you should be aware of - some (not many) shavers actually attempted to add details back onto the edge by hand or crude punch. So in the area that is out of round check each segment to see if there is or is not a match with the segments on the "rounder" portion of the edge. In my book I show photos of a portrait 8R where the shavers did exactly what I am referring to. They did it to cover an edge theft.
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 Posted 08/18/2016  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took it to both my LCS's and they both told me the same things about the shaving/retooling the details. They also said it appeared like a good coin and like others mentioned that it depends on where the coins are from but particularly South American coins not being always perfectly round. Thanks!
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