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I've been away form this site for a while. This is exactly what I came back here to find out. I had been considering the StackShot package, but found it hard to swallow the price tag. Especially for something that would only get about 20% of the features used. I simply want a motorized focusing rail to control my focusing hands free or tethered. My weak point in my current setup is the focusing system. I get a lot of movement side to side while trying to do small focus changes. The price tag on this alternative is very reasonable. Have any of you actually used it yet? I know you posted above Ray that you had bought the system, but I don't know that you have tested it yet. I have not looked through any other threads yet. This may be what I am looking for, unless any of you know of a motorized focusing rail other than the the WeMacro and StackShot.
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Pillar of the Community
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I tried to get it working, but had some issues. I have a Win XP system and there seems to be some incompatibilty. I guess the controller is written in C++ so I must install C++ but haven't found compatible version. Then work got busy again. I'll try again this weekend and report findings. Quality of the system looks very good, I just need to figure out how to get it working.
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New Member
United States
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Sounds good, thanks for the update. I've seen a couple videos of it on Youtube and it looks pretty nice. Seems hard to beat at the price point.
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Pillar of the Community
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OK, got it up and running. Not being a programmer (I guess), I was not aware of what a .rar file was. Silly things like this can definitely slow you down! So after extracting the .exe and the driver, things went more smoothly. No need to install C after all.
I could not read any of the buttons on startup. I saw a note on the hardware install page to hit F4 to go between Chinese and English. Pressed F4 and menus were readable. This needs to be done each time the program is started, as I can't seem to find a way to save the default settings.
I needed to select a com port. Choices were 1 or 4. 1 didn't work, but 4 did. I was up and running!
My first impression is the quality seemed very good. Operation was pretty silent and the software seemed to work well.
Once working, it was time to install it so the rail was usable. I have a manual Z-stage (on top of X, Y, and goniometer) so I just removed the stage to make room for the WeMacro rail. To make it work, I installed a 90-degree angle bracket from an old stage, and stuck it to the WeMacro stage with the old tried and true method of double-stick tape. I then double-stick taped the (non-motor) end of the WeMacro rail to my stage base so the rail operated vertically. I now have an automated coin stage.
To test the stage I installed a 10x microscope objective, and played around with the positioning, stepping up, down, calibrating, etc. The software had both "step" and "move" buttons (the "move" buttons just say "forward" and "backward". The step buttons move you forward or backward by 1 step, while the move buttons move the stage continuously forward or backward.
I noticed some interesting phenomena when stepping and moving. I don't see much backlash at the standard setting of 180um, but I do see some side-to-side movement when changing direction. The movement is not severe, and should not cause problems for the stacking programs to align to, but it's worth noting.
I also saw some systematic movement due to rotation of the rail screw. The screw does not turn on the precise axis of the motor. It wobbles a little side to side with each rotation. This translates to small side to side movement of the stage as it goes forward or backward. Again, it's not severe, but I'm not used to this kind of movement.
I have not yet connected my camera to do an actual stack. Will do that some evening this week.
So, overall my first day impression is very favorable, though I can see a few things already in the software that could be improved, but it's workable.
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United States
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Looking forward to seeing the actual stacks.
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Here is my first stack with the WeMacro. Done at 10x magnification. This was a semi-manual stack, with no camera triggering. Step, shoot, step, shoot. 17 shots. I'll set up auto shutter and do another stack maybe tonight. 
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Edited by rmpsrpms 10/17/2016 1:03 pm
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New Member
United States
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It looks great!! The wobble and side to side movement that you are referring to has me at a pause. If it's very minor, I could live with it. But if it's like what I am getting right now with me hand focusing everything, I might skip it and look into saving some money and buying the Z-Stage that you referenced earlier in this thread. One other thing I have to consider, is that I currently am running a Mac and so would be forced to use the iPhone or Android app to control the unit.
Have you used the StackShot Ray? If so, how would you compare build quality to it? At least in terms of "wobble" and "side to side" movement when reverse or forward focusing?
Thank you again for your invaluable information.
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Pillar of the Community
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I have not used a StackShot. My rig is a bit more elaborate, and doesn't have any of the movements, which is why I noticed it. However, it's really not too bad. At 10x, its movement is noticeable but not severe. I would not recommend against the unit because of the movement, it's just a quality issue worth noting.
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I use a stack shot. Its very hard to comment with out having used the WeMacro rail. On the stackshot: I certainly notice the back lash of the stack shot... but I have adjusted the settings in Zerene stacker to deal with it. I have certainly not noticed any side ways movement with the stack shot rail and I have been using my stack shot for over 2 years. Cheap equipment is always tempting but as I have honed my skills I have become more and more demanding on the quality of the gear I use.
I only use Chinese Machined equipment for non-crucial parts of my rig (or where I have the ability to compensate for any poor machining. The reason being is that I have found the tolerances of many Chinese products far too variable. The funniest I recall an adapter it looked really nice until I realized the machining of the camera mount section had not been completed. I have had Arca rails that the width varied by slightly more than a mm from one end to the other.
Anything that is at the "heart" of my rig is either, American, German, or Belarusian. Cheap Chinese gear is very tempting But I have been stung so many times that I now prefer to pay extra for the associated reliability. Particularly when people are using 10X magnification well machined ( and assembled) equipment is a must. I know stacking software can compensate, but I want my shots to be accurate representations not mathematical approximations. .
So for me the reported side ways movement is a major warning sign.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Anything that is at the "heart" of my rig is either, American, German, or Belarusian. Cheap Chinese gear is very tempting But I have been stung so many times that I now prefer to pay extra for the associated reliability. If this is your position, then I am curious why you started this thread? Is it certain that the StackShot is not made from Chinese-sourced components? I'd bet the rails, screws, and stepper motor are Chinese-sourced, and it is assembled and tested in the US. I suspect the reason for the wobble is the simple way the rail is built. Other rails I've used have bearings on both ends of the screw, the motor is mounted separately, and a universal joint is used to connect them, compensating for the small errors that are inherent even in precision assemblies. AK, can you confirm this is how the StackShot is built? The WeMacro rail has a bearing on the end opposite the motor, but it appears the motor is used as the bearing on its end. The coupling is solid, with no apparent flex, so any small misalignment can cause wobbling. For this to work the solid coupling must be perfect. Edited to add: I viewed the movement at 10x, and it is about 10um, or around 0.5% of the FOV. Enough to see it happen, but not enough to make much difference.
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Edited by rmpsrpms 10/18/2016 11:23 am
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rmpsrmps: Note this comment in my last thread: Quote: Cheap equipment is always tempting It answers your question as to why I started the thread. In response to your comment regarding possible use of Chinese parts by Cognsys in their stackshot. By way of an illustration: Years ago Leica started badging a Minolta zoom lens the MD 35-70. The Leica version and the Minolta version were produced by Minolta. The only difference was the lenses received by Leica were double checked by Leica... and at times even dismantled and reassembled when it was necessary correct Minolta manufacturing inconsistencies. Even to day a Leica badged version of the lens often outperforms the Minolta and it can take 2-3 attempts to find a good Minolta version. The Leica version sells for US$300 - $500 while the Minolta examples sell for less than $150.00. So the use of Chinese parts in the Stackshot doesn't worry me....as I would expect that Cognsys would weed out the Chinese parts that didn't meet their tolerances. Obviously a bad part still might slip through but I believe the chances of such an occurrence are much lower than might other wise be the case. Edit: I should add it would be nice to see a good alternative to the cognsys product, however your reporting of sideways movement is not an optimistic sign
Edited by austrokiwi 10/18/2016 3:58 pm
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i need a every thing except for the focus rail. what would you guys recommend. I need the motor, software, cables,power supply.where could I purchase these items. any help greatly appreciated.
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Quote: i need a every thing except for the focus rail. what would you guys recommend. I need the motor, software, cables,power supply.where could I purchase these items. any help greatly appreciated. I bought a full extra set of items less focus rail from William at WeMacro. The prices were very reasonable. I suggest you email him to see how much he will charge you. I think shipping will be the most expensive item.
Edited by rmpsrpms 10/18/2016 9:39 pm
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United States
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Quote: If this is your position, then I am curious why you started this thread?
Is it certain that the StackShot is not made from Chinese-sourced components? I'd bet the rails, screws, and stepper motor are Chinese-sourced, and it is assembled and tested in the US.
I suspect the reason for the wobble is the simple way the rail is built. Other rails I've used have bearings on both ends of the screw, the motor is mounted separately, and a universal joint is used to connect them, compensating for the small errors that are inherent even in precision assemblies. AK, can you confirm this is how the StackShot is built? The WeMacro rail has a bearing on the end opposite the motor, but it appears the motor is used as the bearing on its end. The coupling is solid, with no apparent flex, so any small misalignment can cause wobbling. For this to work the solid coupling must be perfect.
Edited to add: I viewed the movement at 10x, and it is about 10um, or around 0.5% of the FOV. Enough to see it happen, but not enough to make much difference. That 0.5% FOV would be well within my tolerance levels for what I have been dealing with. Thank you very much for your review on this product. It is most helpful as are most of your posts on here Ray.
Edited by jtlee321 10/27/2016 11:03 pm
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United States
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Quote: Is it certain that the StackShot is not made from Chinese-sourced components? I'd bet the rails, screws, and stepper motor are Chinese-sourced, and it is assembled and tested in the US. That is a great comment. I would like to go more into detail about that. "Made in the USA" labels cannot be falsified in any way. That is one thing, if you put on your products, you are not allowed to screw around with. You will face major penalties from our government if you try. If even one component comes from China or someplace else, you are not allowed to put "Made in the USA" on your products. Some companies try to fool customers by putting "Assembled in the USA" and things of that nature on their products. They would never dare put "Made in the USA" on their products, if that's not the case, because the government fines are staggering if you are found guilty of lying about it. Many years ago, I was in the flooring industry. There was some guy in Texas who tried to bring laminate flooring from China into the country with a "Made in the USA" label printed on the boxes. For each box, not pallet, he was fined $10,000 dollars. It ruined him and deservedly so.
Edited by joeysanders627 10/28/2016 03:26 am
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