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If you are not convinced that laser cut dies were used to make this forgery, compare my images on page two of this thread with the images here, from the Royal Canadian Mint 2017 double loon silver set, which now use laser etching to "frost" their devices: http://goccf.com/t/290458Note the parallel striations on Queen Elizabeth's cheek... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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That is bang on thanks for pointing that out.
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Edited by TheCoinHunter
06/23/2017 5:41 pm
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Fill us in on the "20" and full pics of it would also help..
What role does the 20 play in this ?
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06/23/2017 8:13 pm
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The 20 is also believed to be counterfeit and was also holdered in an ICCS holder at MS-64 (twice). It was included in the original 91 thread.   Edited by TheCoinHunter
06/24/2017 1:36 pm
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The lines from etching aren't as noticeable on the quarter but the tell was the 'scratch' above the 1 it appeared exactly the same on another 1920 that was being sold by another seller with these known new generation fakes. The scratch appears because it's on the die itself' though raised on the die obviously. I also notice very slightly rounded and tamped down devices not consitant with strikes from the year and era.
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Some of that is camera focus and shooting through plastic. But yes, under high res some smoothness is visible. Here is an effigy of an authentic 1915.  |
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Yikes..!
I would have said that all of the above 20's were good (actually great) except the last photo just added where I see a lot of roughness in the legend letters and bust....
Goes to show you what I know about these fakes..
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How much did you pay for the 1891?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I don't want to disclose that at the moment DBM...
Edited by TheCoinHunter
06/24/2017 3:52 pm
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This counterfeit was probably made by "Over-striking" a genuine coin, This would explain it having the correct metal content.
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Trout I think if that was the case, there would be some clear trace of it. Secondly, I would think that the weight and size would be slightly off. I think the consensus for the 91 is that it's laser. The 20, not sure. It was never XRFd.
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The Dan Carr overstrikes leave No trace of the original coin design on his Silver coins and the coins also retain the original dimensions as well then doing the same thing with a more malleable metal like copper seems quite plausible especially considering the level of sophistication used to produce the dies for this counterfeit.
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Silver is much more malleable than bronze.... bronze is much harder. It would take nothing for the fakers to make their own bronze planchets. The only thing that they used an original coin for was to computer (CADCAM) copy a real Obverse and Reverse and then feed it to the laser.
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What's perplexing to me is that this is a lot of effort (specifically the 91) for no other known examples floating around (not yet anyways). This coin was sold raw and not sold as a valuable variety. I would assume there is a certain amount of effort involved in making a Bronze planchet that matches the original metal composition. Even when melting old stock, it's apparently not that easy to keep the original metal composition without separation (I'm sure someone can correct me on that).
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