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Pillar of the Community
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Paul if they choose not too discuss this issue here then you do realize the majority of the readers will feel they are hiding something.......I'm pretty sure that's a road they don't want to go down, after all, I'm not seeing a lot of belief in them lately with the replies and the readership numbers................
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Jon, everyone is entitled to use whatever media they wish to communicate through (or not). I understand that that many senior members (and I'm not referring to age) of Canadian Numismatics post here, but many also choose not to. Keep in mind that ICCS has NOT yet had on opportunity to review and/or more closely examine any of the coins. Irrelevant of how "obvious" things may look here on this thread, they may not look so obvious to all involved. Let the process unravel once everyone who has a vested interest has had a chance to look at it.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I am certainly not going to look down on ICCS just because they don't respond to our coin 'chat'.
Give then some time and space and let them correct this.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Agreed Paul, there has been plenty of time in order to offer a reply by ICCS, which at this point they've decided not to, which I as well as perhaps others respect, is that solely based upon a lawyer's request or self governed. I'm not tryin to be a  , only trying to stay out of brackish waters. And show a resolve. I know time is of the essence here. |
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Paul if they choose not too discuss this issue here then you do realize the majority of the readers will feel they are hiding something.......I'm pretty sure that's a road they don't want to go down, after all, I'm not seeing a lot of belief in them lately with the replies and the readership number Frankly, the lion's share of their business comes from the Canadian coin dealers. ICCS will not hesitate to discuss such affairs with most dealers. But, given that they have adopted a "if it is not broke, why fix it" business style - I would be completely shocked if they reached out to the collecting community. It is a catch 22 with the Canadian numismatic market and ICCS: the collector base almost always insists on buying nicer coins in ICCS flips, dealers always use ICCS to maximize their sales, and ICCS depends on Canadian dealers for the bulk of their business. The Canadian numismatic community is at a point where one cannot survive without the other... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Canada
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SPP, I'm looking forward to see the outcome of this, I hear what you say, yet the end result is not of what we think, it's of what the market brings. As I said prior, we all make mistakes, yet this one unfortunately will be a dark yellow spot to ICCS, from what I see so far.
Balance is good, slabbing and selling, I'm 57 this year and have offered my being wrong in some ways, I truly believe that if ICCS has not in their ways, came to admit they made a mistake with this and offering such to this collecting community then perhaps they are riding on too big a horse, and should be pastured as such.
Edit; I'm pretty sure you'll not see a reply from ICCS to this thread, I really hope to be proven wrong here.
But that's my opinion.
Edited by M_d_in_guy
10/24/2016 01:59 am
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Canada
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ICCS does not even have registered website. They are so "old school" and haven't kept up with technology changes with the way they run their business. I highly doubt that they would come on to this forum to discuss, unlike Louis from CCCS, Gateway, Colonial, etc. I'd have better odds of winning the 6/49 before ICCS uses the internet as a form of interaction.
On another question, with all those certificate numbers that ICCS, is there a place where you can actually type in the certificate number to see if the serial number on ther certificate number corresponded to the graded coin?
Their certificates looks so easy to counterfeit (which have been done in the past)... and the counterfeiters would just make their own BS certificate number to some counterfeit coin in a pastic flip.
Edited by Coinsplus
10/24/2016 1:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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No place to check ICCS's lettered cert and grade verification.
Only thing ICCS has is an internal record of when the coin was graded and who submitted the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Coinsplus, good point regarding cointerfeit. Gold MLs in fake NGC slabs have been noted elsewhere on the forum. NGC acknowledges the problem exists: https://www.NGCcoin.com/coin-gradin...it-advisory/It would certainly be very simple for counterfeiters to reproduce ICCS plastic flips if they chose. That ICCS appears not to be interested in implementing preventative measures in its packaging to mitigate forgery, in addition to providing no means of authentication to the public, in my opinion is a far greater detriment to the hobby than errously certifying a fake coin bearing a mismatched effigy. |
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@wildflowerAB, with the mistake of certifying a fake coin and inserting it into a genuine ICCS flip, ICCS has done the Counterfeiters a favour. ;)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I agree mistakes are going to be made. But I see many sellers on ebay selling 50-100 items a day, It seems they manage to get the right coins out to their customers, and if they don't there's likely consequences. I know It's a bit different as spp stated, there is a niche & symbiotic relationship that ICCS existence depends upon. The trinity of dealers collectors and ICCS. I'm in Mike Marshall's camp on this, I'm not happy- to say the least. This leads me to another question, seeing that there have been quite a few errors of late, has anyone received an incorrect coin back from grading? I've never heard a report of that, so I imagine there's some step/ mechanism in place that only allows a batch of coins opened and graded at one time? Edited by Alan
10/24/2016 9:37 pm
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United States
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Thanks for an interesting discussion. It reminded me of this older thread over in US: http://goccf.com/t/247314&whichpage=1. NGC twice put the same counterfeit in legit holders. When alerted to it, they put the whole batch in "contact customer service" quarantine. Does ICCS have a similar batch code, to where they can track the rest of the coins that might have come in from the same person? |
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Valued Member
Canada
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"I've checked the seller from Spain and his other items and even though he uses 'private listing' in his history base (not the most ethical procedure on the planet),".....
....well except for my bid....but I (thankfully) got too busy and wasn't available near the end of the auction
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Valued Member
Canada
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I'm sort of struck about posters getting so hung up on the metallic composition of the blanks used for the counterfeits. Japanese gold coins in the 80's or 90's were selling at a premium to gold so "pure gold counterfeits were made. The USA fantasy Peace dollars made using issued Peace dollars. It may be difficult for us not in related fields but given the "supernote" counterfeits of the US bills, how quickly holograms as a safety feature were defeated here nad elsewhere....not so hard for those with the technical knowledge B-T-W when you make a loonie for 9-11 cents and give it a value of a dollar (100 cents) the profit is 900-1100 percent not 90 percent |
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