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Japan
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Made in Kongsberg after the mint was reopened during the Napoleonic Wars. They were not made to high quality standards, and there are many varieties. Could this be kv 0 (unc) under Norwegian/Danish grading standards? If not, please give reasons why not. In any case, I like it because it is well centered, and the die gouge making the zero look like a slashed zero.   Edited by bungle
10/29/2016 12:11 pm
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United Kingdom
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I would grade EF (XF) UK - British grading due to wear on letters and ball on crown plus some dirt in letters.
Maybe USA grading AU - about UNC nice piece and well centred
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Denmark
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In Norway it would be 01. It is very far from the 0.
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Valued Member
 Japan
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hmm.. thanks. I was thinking that the coin may have been made pretty much this way. The nicks on the letters/monogram don't look like honest wear. The "dirt" up close just looks like the color has changed, not actual dirt. Not sure about the ball. I see why it looks like it may have been rubbed. Here is one that the dealer says is kv 0 for comparison: http://askermynt.no/index.php?route...uct_id=21532 |
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United Kingdom
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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US Grading, thats an AU58-MS62
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Denmark
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To Bungle. In the Norwegian grading grade 0 there is a huge difference between this grade and your coin. I have seem them in the grade 0.
The link you have provided is not to a serious dealer: I do not even know this guy. This coin is far from the grade 0 too. If it was I would buy immediate. !
Palle - DK
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Norway
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Hello from Norway!
The grade would be 01 here, or XF, I think, in more international standards. The reason: the coin is dirty, has some scratches near the edge and on the high surfaces and shows traces of use, so it can't be 0, which would be mint state.
However... it is a beautiful coin, though!
I have checked with the local coin shops to get a bit of an indication on prices. Right now there's only one 1810 2 Skilling coin in quality 0 for sale, and it's a certified coin. It should do 1800 NOK, or roughly $220. A raw 1+ coin (equals VF) should be about 360 NOK, (about $42) and there aren't too many of those for sale either. So a certified 01 should probably be around 800 to 1000 NOK, depending on which shop you'd ask, here.
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Denmark
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I do not agree very much with the contribution from ultrarant (corrected) here. First of all, I would - anytime - even as a dealer - pay 1800NOK for a true 0 in our standards - this means about MS66 in US grading standards.
1+ in our standards = XF in US grading standards.
01 in our standards = MS60-MS63 in US standards
0 in our standards = MS65-MS67 in US standards
- And etc.
Most people still Arent aware of this - with the internet we are nowadays a globalized world - and this is still a new thing - so there are things to learn.
Prncoins
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11/05/2016 3:02 pm
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Denmark
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However we all seem to agree about the grade 01 for this coins in the Norwegian/Danish grading scale. Normally 01 = MS60-63, but also it can be AU58 and MS64 in some cases.
I did saw a true 2 skilling - cannot remember what type - but from 1810 or 1811 in true 0 sold at a Swedish internet auction recently. The selling price in SEK was about 3500-4000 as I recall. The color of this coin was red.
If a 2 skilling 1810/11 is certified - and is true 0 by our terms - it has to be at least MS65 - sometimes even MS66. Rarely a MS64 can be 0.
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11/05/2016 3:10 pm
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Norway
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So you start by saying how wrong I am, followed by a conclusion similar to mine. Sorry, but I think you are a bit off here.
0 is MS, 0/01 is AU, 01 is about XF or low AU. 1+ is XF/VF, 1 is about VF and 1- is about F/VG. 2 would be about G. At least, that's about the conversion as we make it here. We don't have multiple standards for uncirculated coins, Uncirculated is 0 and 0 only.
In this case, you should remember that the coin is from 1810, making it equally Norwegian as it is Danish. The coin I talk about is actually still for sale, for 1800 NOK and it is apparently certified as 0. However, given the description you give above, you would put it on 01.
ps. Sorry to say, but the internet has been around for over half a century, and e-commerce has been for decades. I already shopped online for about 20 years ago. Coin shops on the net have also been around for a long time (maybe not in Denmark?), so... what's exactly new here?
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Denmark
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Ultrarant: Sorry you are totally wrong here about what I see as common knowledge among Scandinavian coin experts. (but not among most others) I am not allowed to post links here at the moment; today at ebay I saw a MS64 NGC Denmark 1 øre 1878 - this coin did probably not even held 01. In general things are like this though: 0 = MS65-MS67 0/01 = MS63-MS64 01 = AU58-MS62 1++ = XF45-AU55/58 1+ = VF35-XF40 1(+)= VF30-VF35/XF40 1 = VF 20-VF30 Besides this the standards can vary in some cases, but not like you think. You are anonym, I am not, but I am pretty sure we have had this discussion too in a Norwegian forum. You might know a lot about coins - this you haven't got any relevant knowledge about what so ever. Palle DK |
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Denmark
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Why do you think the coin to 1800NOK is not sold yet ;-)
It is crucial to (only) look at the coin and not the slab.
Edited by Prncoins
11/07/2016 6:01 pm
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Japan
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Thanks, I appreciate your discussion.
If anyone ever sees a good picture of this coin in a high grade please post!
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Valued Member
Denmark
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I have been looking on my computer, but I do not have any information anymore about the 0 grade about MS66 sold at a Swedish auction site. Otherwise it would have been a fantastic addition to this post. Palle
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Denmark
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Here is now a Norwegian 2 skilling 1810 in grade "0" by the Danish/Norwegian grading scale. In US scale probably an MS66. https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?...&lot=1439535Notice the selling price. ! But it's clear to me that some people will do and say anything for money. I will not under any circumstance go into that direction - I have a very full numismatic knowledge, and refuse to give people right just because they have other interests. ! |
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