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1983-P Jefferson Nickel...what's The Verdict?

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A 1983-P Jefferson nickel....with circular raised mark...PSD?

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 Posted 11/13/2016  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyCoinBoy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, it appears it was either hit hard, or bent. Probably not an error. There are also some scratches on the obverse, making it 99% surely PMD.
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Perhaps another nickel was squeezed onto this one. Does not appear to be anything other than PMD.
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Hmmm...the coin is not bent...and that is not a scratch on the obverse...it's a raised mark..not incused.
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A possibility for the reverse, from UNUM (autocorrect will not let me type the third letter of UNUM!) to the dome, is a feeder finger gouge.
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Not sure about a gouge..it's raised...similar mark going under the "c" and "E" in monticello...and what would cause the raised "half moon" shape on Jefferson's head on the obverse...don't see a smashed coin causing that..it would be incused.
















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Not sure about a gouge..it's raised


A die gouge would be raised on the coin
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Yes...my ignorance...i was thinking planchet gouge...die gouge would fill with metal...my bad.
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Well wait...is a feeder finger gouge the same as a die gouge?...think I was right the first time...lol
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Well wait...is a feeder finger gouge the same as a die gouge?


It is a die gouge caused by a feeder finger.
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 Posted 11/13/2016  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cheifbrody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ahh...ok...guess that's a possible theory..I'll look into that..I appreciate the opinions
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Yes, Cheifbrody, gouges whether feeder finger or otherwise, are incuse on the die and raised on the coin. The only question left is what is on your coin. It doesn't look like any feeder finger gouges I have ever seen.
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Yea..I just misunderstood when he said feeder finger gouge..didn't know he meant die gouge...and I have no idea what it could be..looks like a coins edge on the obverse...idk
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Couple closer pics...I'm stumped..lol

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 Posted 11/14/2016  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a tough one to figure Chief. I just can't believe the "raised" areas on the obverse were actually recessed on the die, particularly in the normal recesses like Jefferson's head. I think the obverse is PSD. Sometimes, PSD can displace the metal and actually make part of it raised. Circulation can then disguise the "tool" marks.
The reverse raised area is in the field, as would be expected for a gouge in the die. Pete could be right, it might have been caused by a feeder finger.
If it was my coin, I'd throw it in my oddities bucket and hope someday I would have the expertise to definitively identify it.
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I hear ya "coinmasters"...funny thing is that this came out of my oddities jar...guess i'll throw it back in..lol
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