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1960 Small Over Large Date

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 Posted 11/16/2016  06:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add megs61 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this 1960 in a dank roll yesterday. I tried to get the best pictures I can but my lighting isn't great. It shows doubling in the date as well as "Liberty" and "In God". At least that's what my eyes see. What do you think?



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 Posted 11/16/2016  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biedercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

The over-date looks likely when zoomed out, but the closer you get the less likely it looks. The way the devices are pushed outward makes me believe this is a late die state and the "doubling" looks to be of the Machine Doubling type.

IMHO, of course.
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 Posted 11/16/2016  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The '0' in the date is so much larger on this variety. That is the best way to tell if you have it or not.
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On your coin, I agree (what I can see) it looks like Machine damage to the coins devices after the strike. The zero in the date is nowhere near the size if would be on the doubled dies.
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 Posted 11/16/2016  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with the assesment of machine damage
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Quote:
I found this 1960 in a dank roll yesterday.


Personally, I think this coin looks pretty good for coming from a dank roll...
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 Posted 11/16/2016  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You beat me to it.
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 Posted 11/16/2016  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add megs61 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for your comments. I am already learning so much from being here such a short time. I did go and purchase the cherrypickers guide as suggested. Thanks again.
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Question: is machine damage the same as Strike Doubling as opposed to die doubling? And is that what I am seeing in this coin?

I see a lot of coins that look doubled but are not truly die doubled. But in the Cherry Pickers Guide it speaks of Strike Doubling and doubling due to over polishing...so much to learn. Thank you for your help!!
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Machine doubling, Strike Doubling, stutter strike and machine damage are all the same thing. I prefer Machine damaged, as nothing is doubled. After the normal strike the die hops/slides/moves and reduces the devices with damage. When you look at this closely you can the devices are reduced after the strike. The die is a normal. On hub doubling (doubled dies) the die is doubled. On MD it is a normal die that that after the strike happens it damages the devices on the coin.
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You can shh how the devices are damaged after the strike on this coin. (proof coin)
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Most instructive as always. Thanks.
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Thank you coop so much for your descriptive answer!
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great photos, coop
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When I first started collecting I was soley into varietys/errors. Before I knew the difference between Strike Doubling and hub doubling I would take in coins practically every week to show the owner & employees my new "rare varietys" at the local coin shop. It got so bad that the manager gave me literature on doubling printed off the computer and sold me cherry pickers at a generous discount so I wouldnt annoy them with constant facevalue modern circulated coins. We laugh about it now and looking back I never got a feeling from anyone that I was annoying when indeed if I was behind that counter and the roles were reversed I would want to pull my hair out. Lets just say I'm a loyal customer in part for them putting up with me in my first year of taking an interest in numismatics.
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A dank roll?
But I do agree with the other replies. Nice find!
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