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I Have A Tiny Copper Coin I Need Help With

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 Posted 11/17/2016  7:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nelson9225 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
this tiny copper coin has Queen Victoria matron head on the obverse. withe Knight slaying the dragon one the reverse
trouble is it's dated 189? and is so small and thin.
it weighs 0.4 grams
it's 12 mm in diameter
any help would be great.

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Only a guess ...
Great Britain Farthing
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Could the date be 1887? If so, it would probably be a miniature coin token from Great Britain. There seems to be many varieties, but yours, having a date, narrows it down a little. I have never seen this type of token before, but I will try to narrow down its type more anyways.

IM. OF. can be read on the obverse, which would mean its obverse type is either H, J, K, or L, with K being the only option for dated ones. So that leaves types 32, 32a-e, 32i, and 32j, I suppose. I would guess it would be 32d, since it is the smallest at 12.09 millimetres. The next smallest looks like 32j at 12.5 millimetres.
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 Posted 11/18/2016  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nelson9225 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it could be 188? but it's way too small for a farthing. thanks for the input Joseph
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if this coin was set in acid, this could literally shrink the coin and would account for the porous look to the coin. this could have been out in some peat bog area or something similar and dug up. I am not sure what the farthing weight and size is, but I know acid coins look like this.
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I think I have it. in 1887 for the silver Jubilee some small copper coins/medals were produced. they were called half Farthings.and had Victoria queen of Boehm on them. thats all I can come up with.
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The jubilee models I could find online all have the denomination under the horse on the reverse, not the date. Plus, the ones I could find also usually had the "gothic" portrait, not the Jubilee portrait.

Most likely, I think this is a spielmarke (counting token used to teach math to kids), from the 1890s through maybe the 1920s. They doubled as toys when the kids no longer needed the manipulatives!

I think most were produced under the name Lauer if you want to do some more digging.
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This is a Lauer Imitation of 2 Sovereigns. 13 mm, 0.7 gr.
I believe they used these dies for similar copper spielmarke.

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Incidentally, ebay banned me from selling this under their policy on counterfeit coins. Pity they can't apply the same rigidity to the Chinese output clogging up their listings.
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I would like to thank you all for helping
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