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Anyone Got The Faintest Idea What This Is ?

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 Posted 11/18/2016  11:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Greenwalkers to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Sorry if I have posted this twice !
Can anyone help out with this ? Medal ? Token. I have had it for about 50 years since a child. Not been able to find out anything about it so far. Many thanks

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 Posted 11/18/2016  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First;

A very faint idea...

It is a token of some sort, perhaps a meaningless game token.

The two words on it look to be "Gamiel" and "Paphill". At least that is what I seam to be seeing. Well according to Google Gamiel is a name not as common as Smith or Jones, but a last name.

There is a Pap hill in Australia and Pap in New Zealand maybe it Represents Farmer Gamiel of Pap Hill.

Well, you asked for the faintest idea.
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 Posted 11/18/2016  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The top picture looks like a magic square, except that it doesn't add up. Could we have some closer, sharper pictures please?
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 Posted 11/18/2016  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first thought was also ..that it might be a game token
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 Posted 11/18/2016  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First welcome to CCF! Second, I wonder if you found this token in or near water. The reason why I ask is because this seems to be a somewhat common theme with these magic square tokens. See, for example, this previous thread from CCF:

http://goccf.com/t/261140

Yours is the first I have seen with mostly all English inscriptions.
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 Posted 11/18/2016  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The found near water idea crossed my mind too, but 50 years ago it would have been highly unlikely. Also it is using Arabic numerals not devanagari script and it doesn't add up.
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Hi, many thanks for all the ideas . Tryna thought it might be Paphill but it is actually Raphill . The picture looks like a man in a cloak holding a stick with a query star on the end . I couldn't distinguish the type of font fir numbers particularly the number 8 but the Arabic theme from alganbagerap is interesting and you obviously know your stuff !
The metal seems to be silver colour underneath . It weighs 66 grams and measures 6 cms in diameter .

I don't know where it came from , an old uncle gave it to me with other coins and bits and pieces .
I've Tried to download better picture .

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 Posted 11/19/2016  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the fresh images. Still doesn't tell us much but by the shape of some of the numerals, particularly the 8 I think this may be C17th. Also despite the apparent English feel of the words, it is possibly European. The figure is wearing a type of hat that I associate with the Jewish community in the Low Countries.
I shall carry on with this, it fascinates me.
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 Posted 11/19/2016  07:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
not devanagari script
Perhaps above the magic square is some?

In any case--nice piece and thanks for posting!
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 Posted 11/19/2016  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greenwalkers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi thanks for your interest and info. Very exciting !!
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