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Cool contest!

1st guess . . 1901

2nd guess . . 1902

3rd guess . . 1899
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@dd27

1899 was already guessed but as there is a point system now and several prizes up for grabs, I'm assuming that's okay (even if two members have the exact same three guesses)?
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 Posted 02/11/2017  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I get two more right? First has to be wrong



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second guess is 1902
third guess is 1904
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1899 was already guessed but as there is a point system now and several prizes up for grabs, I'm assuming that's okay (even if two members have the exact same three guesses)?


Ah, excellent point--thank you spruett!

Yes, duplicate guesses are OK now, given the changes.

~ Mark

P.S. On another point, for everyone: Consider the math involved when making your second or third guesses. That's part of the challenge.

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I realized that some of you might not have noticed this sentence in my post above:


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Subsequent clues will become progressively more helpful in narrowing down my paternal grandfather's birth year.


The important point is that more clues are coming.

If you did not notice that important point, and you wish to withdraw a third guess, that's OK.

Also be sure to take into consideration the math involved in the scoring, which is in the same post.

~ Mark

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CLUE #3: This coin was NOT being minted when my paternal grandfather was born:

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CLUE #4: This coin was being minted when my paternal grandfather was born:

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Another interesting contest. Thank you!

1st guess - 1898
2nd guess - 1906
3rd guess - 1900
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CLUE #5: The man depicted on the obverse side of this bronze medal, designed by Augustus Saint-Gaudens and minted by Tiffany & Company, had a very successful political career, serving in state and federal government. He also had a positive impact on U.S. coinage. This man had not yet achieved the pinnacle of success when my paternal grandfather was born.

EDIT: Added "...and minted by Tiffany & Company"

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I did a little research on that medal, and found out who is on the front. I'm not changing my guesses.
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Mathematically, I want to keep my guesses in a tight cluster. I also want to maintain symmetry (yes, I'm that way) so that last hint is useful.

My two previous guesses:

1898
1895

Third, and final, guess:

1892


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Final guess,
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Eleven Supporting Members have participated in this contest. Eight have submitted three guesses, and three members have submitted one guess.

I created an Excel spreadsheet to calculate the scores. In doing so I realized that even if a member submits progressively better guesses, it is next to impossible for him or her to achieve a better score than a member who submits one guess. This result is due to the formula I created to calculate scores.

Upon reflection, I believe a simple average leads to a more equitable contest. Consider the example I posted early for instance:


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Example: If the contest was: What was the last year of the Saint Gaudens $20 gold piece?

MEMBER 'A'
Initial Answer = 1939 = 6 points
Second Answer = 1937 = 6 points
Third Answer = 1933 = 0 points
TOTAL = 12 points

MEMBER 'B'
Initial Answer = 1935 = 2 points
Second Answer = 1932 = 1.5 points
Third Answer = 1934 = 2 points
TOTAL = 5.5 points

Thus, even though Member 'A' eventually got it exactly right, Member 'B' would still win.

(Note: If someone points out an aspect of this plan that is clearly unfair or unworkable, I will change it.)


Using the simple average method, the results look like this:

Member 'A' average = 1936.33
Member 'B' average = 1933.67

Thus, Member 'B' would still win because his or her average score is much closer to the correct answer (1933) than Member 'A''s average guess.

I computed the results for our contest using both methods (original formula vs. simple average), as if the contest ended today. For the eight members who have submitted three guesses, the results are almost identical: First place through sixth place remain the same; the only change is that 7th and 8th place switch places.

For the three members who have submitted one guess so far, the results are quite different. Instead of being in the top five places, simply because they have made only one guess, they move down near the bottom. However, since they have not submitted a 2nd or 3rd guess yet, they have the opportunity to improve their results.

If I don't change the way the total score is calculated, then it would be easy for the 'one guessers' to win--they just don't guess again, whether they do so on purpose or because they haven't visited this thread since they submitted their guess and they remain at one guess on February 15th. Such a result would penalize those of you who have participated most actively, which doesn't seem right.

Therefore, unless someone offers a cogent argument as to why this change is blatantly unfair, the winners will be chosen based on the average of their guesses.

Please feel free to ask any questions or offer suggestions. This contest has been good for me because, among other things, it forced me to learn how to use algebraic equations with Excel, and to think about differences in fairness between different scoring methods.

Thank you for reading this lengthy explanation.

Mark





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Fun with numbers!

You had me until you insisted upon a cogent argument.


Why not give weight to the responses? Those responses with the least clues should be worth more than the ones where the years have been narrowed down to fewer choices. This rewards the participants you jumped in early to get the game going. And since all guesses would carry some weight, those who only guessed once would have a disadvantage over those who took all three guesses.

Maybe.

I took statistics in grad school -- don't remember a thing.
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