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Pillar of the Community
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fasteddie,
I had more to say along those lines as well, but I thought it would be better to leave politics out of it. We are supposed to be an international coin discussion site after all.
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Edited by fasteddie
04/10/2008 08:30 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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fasteddie-- A good place to compare are the auction archives at Heritage.com. Then again, comparing those blurry photos to those at Heritage aren't very conclusive, but I have my doubts about that coin. Unless there are several different obverse dies for 1877, some little details are off--but I'm not an expert!  |
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This is bad and it will only get worse. I will really be careful on ebay from here on out. |
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United States
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fasteddie,
It's hard to tell anymore, the first sign I look for is the quality of the picture. If the coin is blurry, they might be trying to hide something. Honest dealers usually try to take very good high resolution pics so buyers can verify it's authenticity.
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Valued Member
United States
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Yup..thanks, the PCGS picture shows a completely different coin...more different than just the mint mark, All the extreme detail is off!
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United States
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I am allowed to refer to an ebay item by number here? or with a link? I know this is not allowed on an ebay forum. I think I just got HAD and thankfully for this forum I may have never discovered it. I am new and 'being lazy' have not read all the rules here. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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we allow links from new members when they have a question about a specific coin or something like that, the one thing we don't allow is advertisement from new members either advertising their site or their ebay auctions they are trying to sell, but in the case you are referring to I think it would be in the acceptable range |
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Thanks Bryan, Well thanks GOD for this forum or I probably would have been 'had'. I think I have a Chinese Morgan on my hands now. Won this auction and after reading all the posts here and examining my coin, I am 90% sure it's a fake. I was duped because this seller had such a variety of items, listed a phone number, etc. But you tell me, here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...WN:IT&ih=002Under the loupe the fields just don't look right, (not uniform and smooth like there wasn't enough peressure on the strike) and also the 1 and 8 look wrong. As well the coin is much to nice to go at the price I got it at...Going to a PCGS dealer Monday Opinions please? Edited by fasteddie
04/12/2008 11:43 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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do you have any way to weigh the coin? If its a fake its a pretty good one in my opinion
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United States
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YES I do have a gram and an ounce scale good idea...it's definitely a good one..but a clue was this seller also sold an 1877-S Trade dollar...I posted about that one earlier in this forum...He is in Las Vegas so maybe he got taken as well from Chinese visitors...How much should it weigh? |
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There could also be different dies that make quick authentication difficult, so you'll need an expert here. When I did a quick check of Heritage auctions, I saw two distinctly different "S" mintmarks for that year. So I don't want to needlessly cast doubt on your coin; I just have grown rather suspicious and look for any differences I see from verified examples.
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04/12/2008 12:01 pm
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I called a PCGS registered dealer and they are open today (fortunately I live in Los Angeles so there are many resources here) I am ever so grateful for this forum, as I've already received a thousand dollars worth of education.
I will post results of that visit and probably send the coin to them for grading as that date is well worth grading.
Thank you Susan for leading me here.
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Pillar of the Community
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Eddie, I am by no means a Trade dollar collector/owner/expert, but the details on that coin look 'muddy' to me, not to mention the blurry pics. I don't think the TD is real. My opinion. I hate to say it, but that Morgan looks 'funny' to me too. Maybe I am just being paranoid... IF... that Morgan was fake, and I spent that money on it, I would be doing several things: *Contacting the USPS to report mail fraud. Any crime or counterfeit sent by USPS is 'mail fraud', and the Postmaster is obligated by law to investigate. Even if the coin didn't come to you through USPS, maybe you sent payment by money order through USPS, that would count too. ANY part of the situation sent through mail would bring the whole issue into 'mail fraud'. *File a complaint with ebay. *If paid by PayPal or credit card, I'd file for my money back. *I would also file complaint to the US Secret Svc. They investigate counterfeiting of US money and I would push the issue that this is covered by that. They still confiscate "unauthorized" coins and patterns, don't they? That is precedence enough for this situation to apply IMO. *Even though it probably won't go far, I would contact both MY AND the seller's local law enforcement and file a complaint to both, and get case/complaint numbers, as well as a my copy of the complaint. The seller may not be involved, but the only way to catch the persons responsible is to go up the 'ladder'... Good luck Dave |
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