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1798 Draped Bust Dollar - Raw

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Have my view on this coin. Wonder what you guys think? Thanks!

1798-Draped-Bust-Dollar---Raw

1798-Draped-Bust-Dollar---Raw
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Obverse VF25
Reverse VF20
Net VF20

1798 Draped Bust/Heraldic Eagle Dollar
Knob 9 Obverse/Tilted 8 Nearly Touching Bust
Arc Star Reverse
Variety: BB-95, B-7, R-4

The Sheldon Scale
R-4 Very Scarce (population est at 76-200)

At R-4 this is a pretty scarce variety. Might receive a premium price from a specialist in this series. Congrats.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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02/25/2017 07:39 am
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Surfaces look polished in the images so while it might technically squeak out a VF20, I would value it as a VG if purchasing it as a raw coin. Buyer beware.
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I wasn't that concerned with surfaces, although my antennae are up since you bring it up. What did concern me is that the reverse shield is worn much more than the rest of the reverse devices indicate. That shield is what I would expect from a low VG coin.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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My first thought when I saw the pic without reading the comments
was that shield has so much more wear than I would expect looking at the rest of the coin.
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F-15. Nice coin that's retoned nicely.
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Don't take the wear on the reverse with a grain of salt, federal type pieces are known for weak strikes on certain areas/dates. They didn't take nearly as much care of the dies that your modern mint employee would. But I do agree on the consensus, it appears to have been cleaned at one point.
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Clearly a split grade - I agree with NS at VF-20 net.
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Genuine, but cleaned.
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VF-20, but looks cleaned.
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an old cleaning. conservatively F15
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I thought it was polished too. Being on the rarity, I assume this is a market acceptable cleaning.
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I don't see as market acceptable for cleaning. It was quite harshly polished. It would be in a slab if it was problem free. That being said, it's not a bad coin. I like it.
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VF-25 details, cleaned
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VF-20 details, cleaned
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