| Author |
 Replies: 130 / Views: 10,387 |
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
Conder,
Oh man...my apologies! Selective vision I gues!
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
543 Posts |
Wow, this clearly displays how naive some people are, I'm referring to the buyers. $5000+ for a uncertifeid coin with horrible pics and a crappy listing.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
527 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
NGiles--great, I should've done that although my post was good important details other than the date.  Edited by KurtS
04/08/2008 12:43 am
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
527 Posts |
KurtS, This is what I should have done the first time. I cleaned up the ebay image and I'll post them together. The first is the real coin. You can see that the dates aren't even in the same lateral position.    |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
Ngiles, yes--that's a pretty distinct difference, and a useful marker. I'm going to remember that! Btw--I did not post the date on my coin because it's actually struck from an undated die of 1856 that was dated for a run early in 1857. (1857 type of 1856) The legends match the 1856 type, but obviously not the date!  Edited by KurtS
04/08/2008 02:43 am
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1130 Posts |
Here is my 56FE. This is the proof (S-9) variety. Notice how different the 5 is from the ebay sample.  |
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
17884 Posts |
quote:
Ngiles, yes--that's a pretty distinct difference, and a useful marker. I'm going to remember that!
Also remember that since the date was punched into the die by hand with a 4 digit logotype punch it will not always be in that same position. So it may be possble that there are some 1858 dies with the date in the same position and on the 1856 coins. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
quote:
the date was punched into the die by hand with a 4 digit logotype punch it will not always be in that same position
Since I knew that about IHCs, I did wonder how many obverse dies were used in 1856, and their date positions? So I imagine the actual shape of the date punch and devices is a better determinant of authenticity. A while back, I saw a very good reworked 1858 that would easily fool a collector, unless they were aware of the differences in the legend. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
527 Posts |
I looked at the quantity of coins minted in 1856, which was only somewhere from 600 to 750 for circulation, and 1,500 for proof. I gambled that there was only one die used for so few coins. I may be wrong, but I thought my chances were pretty good. That is why I considered the lateral position significant. I have also heard rumors, that I can not confirm, that the same dies were used for the circulation and proof strikes. I would be curious if anyone has info to either confirm or debunk that rumor. 1sikevo, I overlaid your picture with the example I have above, and your coin and the example are in the same lateral alignment. The ebay coins date was off by a whole digit. I wish I could save the overlays and post them but they don't want to cooperate. The ebay coin did however line up exactly with the 1858 example I had. Just food for thought.  |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
NGiles, according to Rick Snow: quote:
At least 11 obverse dies were made in 1856. Only 5 had the 1856 date put on. The other 6* are found with 1857 dates.
As far as I know, one of these dies was non-proof and struck approx. 650 MS coins. (*The coin I pictured was struck using an 1856 die with the 1857 date added.) Edited by KurtS
04/08/2008 9:32 pm
|
|
Valued Member
United States
96 Posts |
wow...I wish I had money "to burn" on fakes like that..isn't it weird that someone with coins worth "thousands" of dollars can't take a digital picture?
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
527 Posts |
Thanks KurtS, I was trying to track that info down. Would they have used all 5, or would they have only run one set? It just seemed to me a lot of work to set up multiple sets for only 650 coins. Either way I guess the fact remains that different lateral positions are possible. Thanks for the feedback. |
|
Valued Member
United States
96 Posts |
Hi all..I am brand new here and was wondering if there is a way to get emailed when a new post is made on a forum one is watching?
Much appreciated
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
NGiles, I should have provided you the source material I quoted from. There I read that Rick Snow has documented 5 obverse dies in use by their varieties. Edited by KurtS
04/08/2008 10:20 pm
|
| |
Replies: 130 / Views: 10,387 |
First Page
Previous Page
Posted 04/07/2008 6:16 pm
