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I can't remember the last time I had a half dollar. The penny was dropped by Canada in 2012. The kids at school throw their pennies in the trash because they can't spend them in vending machines. I am not sure about phasing out the nickle.
So drop the penny, half dollar, dollar bill and expand on the dollar coin. Maybe even make the nickle out of zinc like the penny...ok maybe not.
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The US Treasury stopped issuing paper savings bonds to save seventy million dollars per year. And the US Mint can not do the same for that abomination upon the land, the zinc cent?
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Trump Would veto it because "it's a job killer"...(not to mention his friends in the mining industries would be losing money!)

Not much of a job killer. Crane would lose the paper production of the dollar note which you would think would cost jobs, but the production of the paper for twos would go way up and save most if not all those jobs. Jarden might lose some jobs in the zinc line, but there would be an increase in jobs needed for the strip for the dollar coins. This might move jobs from one company to another but the total number probably wouldn't change much. Mining wouldn't suffer because more copper would be needed. Jobs at the BEP probably wouldn't change that much either because they will be printing twos instead of ones.

So it really probably wouldn't affect jobs much at all.
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I agree the effect on jobs would be either neutral or positive. My optimistic side wants to say it could pass, but it won't.
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I am always amazed at how long it takes for changes to be made to coins and notes in the USA. Here in the UK not a single coin or banknote that was in circulation on February 14, 1971 could be spent today. And think of all the European countries that have adopted the Euro, some of which, such as Malta, Cyprus and Finland, had completely redesigned their circulating coins in the old currency only a relatively short time ago...
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Trump is in the white house and he doesn't owe big zinc or big big money paper a darn thing. This has the best shot of passing ever!!

Come on guys. We have a CEO in the white house. He'll just look at the numbers and boom, hello executive order
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@ NumisRob, yes it does take the US an annoyingly long time to change the money, but we have the softest toilet paper in the world
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Yeah , Guaranteed no splinters. (At one time that was an actual sales tout for a toilet paper brand.)
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Not much of a job killer. Crane would lose the paper production of the dollar note which you would think would cost jobs, but the production of the paper for twos would go way up and save most if not all those jobs. Jarden might lose some jobs in the zinc line, but there would be an increase in jobs needed for the strip for the dollar coins. This might move jobs from one company to another but the total number probably wouldn't change much. Mining wouldn't suffer because more copper would be needed. Jobs at the BEP probably wouldn't change that much either because they will be printing twos instead of ones. So it really probably wouldn't affect jobs much at all.
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I agree with jbuck
"The nickel needs to go, too. Changing its composition while placating the vending industry is futile. By the time they finally figure it out it will be too late, just as it is way too late for the cent."
I'd like to finally say I have a complete set of nickels.
I don't like the new one anyway but I still have to get three every year. They are boring me to tears since 2006.
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Can't we just pay off the national debt today by moving the decimal point over one notch and $.01 would become $.10 ?
Everybody get's a 1000% raise!
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I'd like to finally say I have a complete set of nickels.
I ended my first set at 2003.

2004 to date is in a separate album.
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None of this will solve the real problem, which is the non-stop inflationary monetary policy this country has pursued for decades and is obliterating savings accounts. Once the penny is gone, next will be the dime, and then the quarter, then the dollar itself will be gone. Soon enough it will cost $50 to buy a coke, and your own life savings wont be enough to pay for a years expenses. Inflationary monetary policies destroyed the economy of Rome, it will do the same to us if we don't end it soon enough. A near stable or slightly deflationary policy are the only ones throughout history that have proven to last the length of time.
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A near stable or slightly deflationary policy are the only ones throughout history that have proven to last the length of time.
I do not think that is accurate. Persistent deflation is what caused the great depression. History has shown that a moderate inflation drives economies. However, the key word here is moderate. It has to be enough to encourage consumers to buy products now (to avoid higher future prices), but no so much where savings can be adversely affected.
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Get ready for a cost of living increase that naturally will follow.

This move will save politicians taxpayer money on paper - and make them be able to brag - unfortunately that is most of the "money" that will be "saved." There will be an upward adjustment in costs to the average consumer as society normalizes on a higher cost plateau b/c of cost increases inherent to the change.

Psychologically there is an immediate rise in prices as the mindset of the dollar coin being the "new quarter" or just "pocket change" kicks in. People are correct that a dollar does not buy much, but the human mind still sees the amount of a dollar as something that is not literally thrown around in change cups with worthless pennies. Marketers will take advantage of this.

Expect services to increase in price and trickle down into the cost of everything else. It costs a LOT more money to handle/ship/distribute/trade in/cash in large amounts of metal vs. paper. The businesses which do such things (like your and my bank, ant machines using money) will pass on the expenses to the consumer.

How do I know? Although not a Canadian citizen, I was back and forth in Canada enough most of my life. The Loony caused the exact things I mention. I was there.

And we, as the little man, will be putting out more money for the same things we buy now. Inflation is aided by this move. However, it makes politicians look good (on paper).


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Persistent deflation is what caused the great depression. History has shown that a moderate inflation drives economies. However, the key word here is moderate.

True about the persistent deflation, but this was a different time. Using farming as an example (which was a more prominent profession back then_: Now the regulatory boards step in to make sure no one has a monopoly. Farmers no longer have to worry about being underpriced by their neighbors (which was a very legitimate problem).

Of course middle men get more of the consumer's money, and the farmer still does not see the profits they are due for their work. However, these regulatory boards do make it so the farmer can make a living.

As JFK and Ronald Reagan both said, and history proves, if you allow the people to have more of their own money - which means less taxes and less government intervention - you WILL have a strong economy. Listen to their speeches. Research the actual facts.

Think about the common sense in this...
If each CCF member had an extra $200.00 to "play with" a month, I do not think it would be far fetched to say the money would most likely be spent on coins. Buyers are happier, spenders are happier, and we grow.


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