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 Posted 05/10/2017  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's graded au-53 by PCGS and I know the guy who sent it in. He is NOT a big auction house.
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My first thought was that it's XF, although the details are very good on such an old coin. The lack of luster brings it down somewhat, though. It could be anywhere between XF and AU.
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It's graded au-53 by PCGS


That's an extremely generous grade.
You can easily find AU-53's with better eye appeal, and without the environmental damage and apparent old cleaning.
As it's been said, buy the coin, not the holder.
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 Posted 05/10/2017  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The details are present and so is the problems, I wouldn't assign a no more than a EF-45, and as mention, PCGS graded generously.
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Respectfully disagree. This has every bit of AU-53 sharpness by any grading standard.
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You can easily find AU-53's with better eye appeal, and without the environmental damage and apparent old cleaning.


On a 1865 sld? I dare you to try. For the date this is about as original as they come in au.
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And I would say that is why there's difference in assigning the same grade that doesn't have the eye appeal from another coin of the same year. I agree the sharpness is present, but there's also extra hits that I would not grade that high.
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I can see it being graded AU53 and also agree with ArrowsAndRays: "You can easily find AU-53's with better eye appeal, and without the environmental damage and apparent old cleaning."
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On a 1865 sld? I dare you to try. For the date this is about as original as they come in au.


MikeF: You've been posting a lot of Seated dollars and if you are specifically looking for an 1865 in AU53 then you could wait a while to find one. I think ArrowsAndRays (and me) were referring to this as a type coin (No Motto Seated dollar) in AU53. I know I was.

Also, the market likes orignal coins but does not like black coins. By all means buy what you like but if do consider resale value then I'd pay accordingly for very dark pieces.

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These are just really bad photos, but I'll throw them out to add to the debate. These photos were taken before the original owner sold the coin to the current owner who now has it listed on Heritage. He was trying to capture the luster with these photos.



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Why are the cert numbers different? It doesn't look like the same.
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MikeF: You've been posting a lot of Seated dollars and if you are specifically looking for an 1865 in AU53 then you could wait a while to find one. I think ArrowsAndRays (and me) were referring to this as a type coin (No Motto Seated dollar) in AU53. I know I was.


I'm building an au set, BH. I'm making progress but finding slds with original skin is no easy task. You can view my current collection on this thread. http://goccf.com/t/287788
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 Posted 05/10/2017  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cert numbers are the same from what I see.
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Two different certification numbers. The cert.# 81237522 is not in the PCGS database. Evidently the coin
was broken out and resubmitted ? Good advise BH1964
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I thought you were comparing the numbers from the photos.
Checked it with the listing and you're right. Someone cracked it out and resubmitted.
I've got 6955.53/81237522 before
And 6955.53/83469047 after.

If they were looking for an upgrade they didn't get it.
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