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1862 Indian Head Cent (Copper Nickel), Bad Photo Gambling! *new Photos In Hand.

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Not much of a gamble for 5 bucks, but hey, can't always bet the max on every hand...

Feel free to chip in on what you think this 1862 Indian Head cent will actually look like / grade as when I get it in hand. My "bad seller photo" opinion is that it's probably G6 with a shot at VG8.

I cropped these down to 750x from the seller's 2x2 photos, otherwise these are straight from the listing.

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Yeah, it's not bad, VG to F range.
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You might get a nicer coin than pictured. I see some peoples cameras take crappy photos that make the coins surface look pitted when really it isn't - cross your fingers!!
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I think it could be as nice as an F-12.

I think the "pitted" appearance is noise from inadequate lighting. You can see it on the plastic and cardboard as well.
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Adam , I think your grade opinion is right on . Can't be fine ,I see no trace of Liberty even with these fuzzy pics .
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It's VG. A Fine needs to show more of the letters of the "LIBERTY." Please, guys pull out you ANA grading guides and maintain the standards. Watering them down does not benefet collectors.
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Yup VG8, possible 10 with better photos.
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VG-06, maybe 08, but no way a Fine. Looks like the horizontal shield lines are completely gone.
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vg details - corrosion
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Price aside, agree there could be some ED issues.
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VG-10. Not bad.
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I would think VG-10 from those pictures.
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Pretty pleased for 5 bucks...it is a bit darker in hand, but just a bit. No environmental damage, but does have a small nick/hit to the left of the bust and a scratch above the left wreath on the reverse...but hey, for the price...

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congrats! looks much better than original pics.
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So, what would you grade it now?

I'm curious about the shield. It looks like the entire top is worn away and inconsistent with the rest of the reverse.
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I would say vg10 or f12. The shield looks like a combo weak strike and/or greased die. It doesn't look like wear b/c the rim is so strong.
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