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Seller Of Counterfeit PCGS Holders

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 Posted 06/05/2017  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Below is what the ebay seller Tommyrocks69 posted on the PCGS boards:


"So I am the infamous and stupid Tommyrocks69 who sold the fake PCGS slabs on ebay. I purchased 20 or so coins from a guy through Facebook and I guess because the price was so good I was blinded by greed. I am always looking at the coins themselves for fakes. I never even heard of genuine coins being in fake slabs so I wasn't looking for that when I was looking over this lot. I definitely thought something didn't seem right, but I it wasn't enough to make me stop the sale or investigate further. As someone mentioned I have a 100% seller feedback score on ebay. That's because I don't peddle fakes or garbage. Not intentionally anyway. If you ask some of my buyers they will tell you I bend over backwards to make sure they are happy and satisfied with the coin(s). Selling people fake slabs definitely goes against everything that I stand for. The only good news is that it was only 4 slabs. It is not a ring or anything where people can expect to see hundreds of these things flood the market. Not from me personally anyway and I think this was a one time thing for the person I got them from. Obviously it's still bad that it happened at all, but in this case the source (me) is terribly embarrassed and ashamed and will be making sure he looks more closely at what he puts out there under his name. I am sure that for some my apology won't be enough or they will think I'm not being truthful and I understand that. I can see by some of these posts that many of you take this hobby extremely seriously and as a personal attack when you see things like this happen. All I can tell you is that I love collecting coins and I will do everything in my power to right the wrongs of this particular situation and make sure it never happens again in the future."
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06/05/2017 5:30 pm
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 Posted 06/06/2017  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add man2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is really scary stuff. I would be afraid to buy anything from this seller. Thank you for posting this!
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 Posted 06/06/2017  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmwilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that he made the "10% Chinese" comment and didn't show the back of the holder (while showing five pics ... two of the reverse) ... seems questionable. I suppose the back of the holder isn't all that interesting... and you can fake a hologram too.

Dang... this is not good for the hobby...
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 Posted 06/06/2017  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This scam does not fit the MO of the Chinese as they have put fake coins in fake holders. I feel that this scam (genuine coins in fake holders) is from the United States.

PCGS needs to provide photos of True View quality on their cert verification, so buyers can check photos and put an end to these scams. PCGS does not want to provide high end photos for cert verification because it is a revenue stream.
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 Posted 06/06/2017  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add man2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe NGC provides excellent photos. You nailed it Slider23!
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 Posted 06/08/2017  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SuperPoacher74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The sad part is that the seller will never get in any trouble as stated above.
He will just open another ebay account under a diff name as well as a PayPal acct.
& do it all again!
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 Posted 06/08/2017  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SuperPoacher74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also prior to spending a significant amount of cash I know myself that I only buy from reputable sellers with years of feedback & even then I'm skittish!
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