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1972 Quarter Struck Over 1964 Silver Quarter

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 Posted 05/05/2008  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add photoeric21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
now all I can see in my head are the images of those Asian counterfeiting machines...

if it's not some sort of strange home-produced coin, what could possibly be the explanation for something like this?

what a thread this has turned out to be!
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 Posted 05/05/2008  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I think we should have some experts here weigh-in before we suggest anything like a forgery. I think there has been more than enough skepticism/suspicion already. Now that we have photos and other data we should study the evidence carefully before making any off-hand remarks.
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05/05/2008 3:13 pm
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 Posted 05/05/2008  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting! The only possibility I can think of is an intentionally created error, i.e. adding a 1964 quarter into a hoppper of planchets in 1972 and then the coin was restruck. An overstrike/restrike would still leave some visible detail and would probably account for the "stretching" of the original design as well. Obviously, intentionally made errors are a big no-no at the Mint and some error dealers will not buy/sell them(Mike Byers comes to mind).

So I guess the next question is- when does it go to PCGS(or whomever) to get authenticated?
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05/05/2008 2:51 pm
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 Posted 05/05/2008  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it definitely looks like a 1964 under that 1972 date so it being a silver 1964 makes allot of sense but how it got restamped in 1972 remains a mystery
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 Posted 05/05/2008  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add st3rling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's good stuff! Congrats Eel on it being much more intriguing than we could ever imagine. Many happy returns and let's find out the real story behind this bad boy.

edit: From Susan's post, she reports it as .22 grams and heavy for a 90%er. Was it 7.22 grams? Cuz 6.2 grams as KurtS stated would be pretty normal. Just curious.

Weight corrected in Forum Mom's above post

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05/05/2008 3:14 pm
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 Posted 05/05/2008  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe there was a 72 proof silver
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 Posted 05/05/2008  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jhs if you look at the pictures it clearly has a 1964 under the 1972 date so chances are its a regular 1964 quarter with 1972 restamped over top of the original date
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 Posted 05/05/2008  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan--agreed! I think the 1964 is quite clear. So, if a Mint employee put a 1964 in the hopper, one would imagine that doesn't happen too often? Once authenticated, I'm sure an error like that would generate a good amount of interest.
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05/05/2008 3:33 pm
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It'd be interesting for someone to try to put a "price value" on this coin, let alone the difficult/impossible "authentication process" needing to be done. .....
IF THE CHINESE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS.........GRRRRRR....(just kidding...err...I think!)
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Wow, I have to find that silver, non-proof Kennedy 72 half dollar now. This gives me hope that it may be real...

Congrats Eel, on your great find !! I'm happy for you and glad you shared it with us on CCF.
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I was looking at a '72 quarter and compared it to this one and it sure looks like it was stamped at the mint. The question is why. The other thing I was thinking is that what are the chances that if it was thrown into a group of planchets that it would get struck right near the old strike, makes me think someone manually fed it into the machine. The other thing I wonder is what is the mint going to do now that this coin has been outed. If it was an intentional error wouldn't they want to get there hands on it?
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Congrats on your find eel. That coin is very interesting. Get the coin authenticated and sell it. Youll get out of debt real fast.
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Well, I'm eatin' crow, and happy for ya eel!
Sorry for the suspicion, but having been on
forum boards as long as I have, trolls are
more common than one would think.

Didn't you say it was your dad's coin? Or was
it grampa? Anyway, whoever left it to you did
a great thing conserving that error!

My opinion: A 64 coin got in the 72 planchets.
By accident or on purpose is a non-issue at this
point. It happened, and it is clear what the
result was.

Another .02...
I would ship it to PCGS yesterday!

Congrats, you have a real treasure there!
Good luck,
Dave
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 Posted 05/05/2008  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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quote:
what are the chances that if it was thrown into a group of planchets that it would get struck right near the old strike, makes me think someone manually fed it into the machine.
The key word there is near... it is not exact, so why think of it as an "amazing" event? The human brain tends to remember the hits and forget the misses. When someone is amazed at the odds of something happening, they often forget all of the times that the amazing occurrence did not happen! IMHO, even if it were dead on, it could still be random happenstance that the quarter was thrown in the bin and lined up when struck! I am not saying it was not manually lined up and struck, I am just saying there is a possibly it just happened to line up pretty close.



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