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Coins Disappeared On The Way To PCGS

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 Posted 07/01/2017  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I didn't think the flat rate shipping envelopes were that easy to tamper with...


The end tabs on the flat rate envelope can be lifted and contents removed and the end tabs re-glued if the seams are not taped.

The printed at home shipping labels should be glued on, or the label could be lifted and put onto a new Priority Envelope once the contents are removed.

You have exposure with any package addressed to NGC, PCGS, CAC, etc.



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I had one bad experience with small priority boxes a couple years ago. Bought over 20 rolls of pennies from a seller, had a great time bidding, it took hours just to watch and bid on all the auctions. Seller shipped all the rolls in a small priority box with no tape on the sides. All the rolls fell out one side during transit (I doubt it was tampered with, just the weight of it popped the side open), and I was actually home when the mail carrier delivered the empty box. Went outside to get the mail 5 minutes later and had a fit. You would think he would have seen it was damaged/opened, or anyone at the post office/sorting facilities to mark it as damaged/undeliverable. But the package was marked delivered. It was over $200. I contacted the seller and mentioned the lack of tape as nicely as possible and they actually agreed to send 20 more rolls. I was thrilled because I thought I was out of luck at that point, but still feel really bad for the seller to this day. He taped the heck outta the next one!

Best of luck to you.
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 Posted 07/01/2017  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Taphandle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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All the rolls fell out one side during transit


It's nice to think the better of folks Mike but it's a better bet that your coins did not fall out, although it is quite possible. I had the same type box shipped to me, it had been opened and resealed, should have been a few merc.s and a commemorative. The box was empty, took it up with the seller and the post office. The seller stepped up and refunded me, he insured the box so he took it up with the post office.

Last year around Christmas there were many reports of instances like this. That being said, I live in the city and haven't had a regular mail carrier for the last two years, we get new ones but they don't last long and lately it's been different carriers everyday.

Glad it worked out for you hope it does for the OP as well.
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Losing you coins in the mail is one of the overlooked risks and costs associated with slabbing and crossovers from grading service to another.

Have I heard about this before? Yes. It was said that one of the reasons why NGC moved out of New Jersey and into Florida was that they were having too much trouble with coins disappearing at the New Jersey post offices.
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I always use copious amounts of tape. I have not yet had a package with its contents stolen. *knocks wood*
I can attest to this, having received a coin from TypeCoin971793.
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Messydesk did an experiment a while ago to see if he could pull stuff out of small FR priority boxes from the untaped edges. He could without leaving a trace it was tampered with I believe
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Here is an Priority Envelope that had the top pull tab sealed. The side tab was lifted and any contents could be removed while the top tab remains sealed.
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Here is the tampered side that has been re-glued:
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Here is the other side tab that has been untouched to compare:
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When you ship coins, tape all seams.
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I tape everywhere pieces have been connected on boxes AND envelopes for just the reason
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While priority boxes include tracking, sometimes it's useless.

I've mailed rolls to members here, only never to arrive.

Mailed from Idaho, they had smooth sailing until they reach 1500

miles away, only to disappear. Twice, the vanishing act occurs in

Cleavland.
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This is scary stuff. Your story has kindled anxiety about mailing and receiving valuable coins. I shared a story in a different thread about an insured package that was delivered (with signature) to the suite next door to mine. The entire "heavy" package went missing for days until I went to every suite in our complex. The package magically appeared in our suite after my staff and I continued to pester all of the neighboring suites. The contents were around $700 value in silver quarters and dollars. I think the weight of the package peaked someones curiosity. The receptionist next door that signed for it said it was a very "heavy" package.
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What I might start doing is getting the PO to weigh all of my packages with valuable coins and giving me a record for the weight. If one is delivered without contents, there will be a discrepancy in the weight from when it was checked in to when it was delivered.
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Answers to some of your questions.

What did I mail it in:

I mailed it in a 6" x 10" bubble wrap lined envelope, with the PCGS submission form wrapped around the four coins (all of which were holdered). PCGS also sent me pictures of the package, which had no obvious damage, though they had already cut it open at that point.

What was in the package:

81882334  1857    50C            PCGS MS61
83521552  1864    50C            PCGS XF45
09204397  1877-S  50C            PCGS AU58
83069786  1856    G$1 Slanted 5  PCGS MS63


And an update:

I went to the post office (on Friday) and the envelope weighed far less than 6.3oz, which confirms that I did not forget to put the coins in the package (alas). I filed a claim with USPS shortly thereafter--I'll let you guys know how it goes!

I also asked PCGS to retain the envelope and any video evidence they have, but haven't heard back. I assume they are out for the holiday weekend. They did send me the images mentioned above and have been very helpful thus far.


Edit: fixed typos + added that I asked PCGS for the video
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I have never used a grading service but I think it would be good for each of them to have anonymous addresses; anything with PCGS or NGC in the address will be a signal for wantabe thieves. I shipped a medium size priority box jam packed with rolls of State Quarters, and use copious (love that word) amounts of tape, arrived no problems.

again, the grading companies should use rotating ship to addresses without the give away in the name.

My worst experience is receiving a matte Jefferson nickel in a flat, thought I had taken the nickel out but didn't and then threw the flat away, wasn't until weeks later I realized what I had done! bummer
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@basicbob101: in addition to the address, if you buy insurance for your package they slap a big blue sticker on it that says "insured". We still don't actually know that there was foul play involved here though, perhaps there is an innocent explanation.
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Did you tape over the glued top seal of the bubble envelope?
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