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1848 Newcomb-46 Picture?

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I cannot find any picture of this coin and curious if anybody has one.
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Are you talking about Large Cents?
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Yes.
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Image (c) Goldberg.

1848-Newcomb-46-Picture?

This is a EAC G7 example, CC#2, R7+, ex: Weathers-Brown-Grellman sold @ the Dan Holmes auctions. It hammered for $7500 + the BP.

1848 Newcomb 46.

This variety was not in Newcomb's original book (United States Copper Cents 1816-1857); it was discovered in mid 1991 by Tom Wagemaker (EAC) and published in PW that year; the rarity is R7+, and the finest in the latest Late Date CC (Hahn) is a single EAC F12, the Wagemaker coin, with the remainder (4 coins) being G7 or less, and examples have been owned by EAC notables Dan Holmes, Robbie Brown, Chris McCawley & John Grellman.

The Wagemaker coin is in Grellman 3 (U.S. Cents 1840-1857) as the plate coin for N-46.

If you are interested, it is the EDS of the obverse die used for Newcomb's N-44, N-32, and N-6, married to the MDS of the reverse die used for Newcomb's N-10 and N-11.

N-32 is in and of itself a scarcity (R5); but N-6 is much more common at an R2. N-10 is R3, and N-11 is R5.

Grellman date number is 355587. If you want to somehow cherrypick one of these (!), grab a N-6 for its obverse and a N-10 for its reverse, and if you find an 1848 that has the same obverse as the N-6 and the same reverse as the N-10, that's an N-46.

(If you succeed, please let EAC know!! ;)

This coin is of importance since it shows that 1) new varieties CAN still be found long after a series has been exhaustively studied, and 2) it is wholly a myth that the Late Dates do not contain any major rarities, something oft repeated and little challenged.
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Nice work!
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As a 1-of-5 variety, it is not well photographed beyond the 5 in existence, and since no one is likely to part with them anytime soon (excepting DH's recent sale) they are not likely to be in auction catalogs very often.
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" grab a N-6 for its obverse and a N-10 for its reverse, and if you find an 1848 that has the same obverse as the N-6 and the same reverse as the N-10, that's an N-46."

What are the diagnostic tools of the N-6 obverse and N-10 reverse? I am sure plenty of people would be on the lookout if had good steps to diagnosis the 1848 large cents they see.
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I am bringing this thread back from the dead to see if anybody has nice easy cheat to detect a possible 1848 N-46.
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I got your PM. The easiest way is to buy an N-6 and N-10, both of which are relatively affordable.

The attribution is based on six steps on the obverse:

1. Position of peak of "1" vertically relative to the point of the bust - distance between the two light blue horiz. lines

2. Position of point of bust horizontally relative to the peak of the "1" - yellow vert. line

3. Position of the downward-pointing hair curl over the first numeral "8" in the date - green vert. line

4. The distance of the bottom of the lower most hair curl below the bust relative to the third numeral in the date - distance in between red horiz. lines

5. Position of the leftmost edge of the base of the first "1" in the date horizontally relative to the denticle most immediately adjacent below the numeral - blue vert. line

6. Position of the leftmost edge of the base of the first "1" in the date vertically relative to the denticle most immediately adjacent below the numeral - distance between the orange horiz. lines

Here is a quick diagram I knocked out in Photoshop to give you an idea of what you are looking at. It features an 1847, Newcomb 29 variety.

1848-Newcomb-46-Picture?

1848-Newcomb-46-Picture?

If you don't have Newcomb or Grellman's book, study pictures of the variety you are wanting to hunt for, and note the positions of the 6 obverse areas above. Then start looking for matches.

Reverse is tougher -- easiest way to check reverses is to get a good, high res photo of the reverse of the variety you are hunting and use a photo program to render it partially transparent and to overlay that reverse on top of the reverse you are looking at, and see how close they are.
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