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Question About "Unplasticized Vinyl" Coin Flips

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HI everyone,

I just recently bought online some "Archival" coin flips. I was expecting Mylar, which I know is totally inert and archival-quality. But I received instead a stack of "Unplasticized Vinyl (uPVC)" which is supposedly "Free of Oils and Pasticizers."

Are there actually archival-quality and safe to use for long-term storage? (Honestly, given that PVC necessarily has plasticizers in order to actually be PVC, the notion of inert PVC sounds as ridiculous as non-dairy cow's milk.)
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Honestly, given that PVC necessarily has plasticizers in order to actually be PVC, the notion of inert PVC sounds as ridiculous as non-dairy cow's milk.
This is not true.

Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) pipes and other rigid PVC products do not use plasticizers. PVC is naturally hard, rigid plastic. The plasticizers are added to make it soft, flexible, pliable. The plasticizers are what allows the chlroine to leech out of the plastic to react with our coins.

However, you are probably right to be skeptical. I wonder what was used to make this "safe" PVC soft and how does it make the chemistry stable.
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 Posted 08/24/2017  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Give this page a read: PVC, uPVC and PET (Mylar) Flips

It should answer your questions. You'll find that while uPVC is a good choice for long-term storage, Mylar (R) is still better.



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jbuck & commems- Great! Thank you very much for the help!
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 Posted 08/24/2017  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The best approach would be to use Mylar coin flips, and put them in less flexible archival quality album pages.
The material used for archival quality album pages can be Mylar or clear Polypropylene.
Both materials are a lot less flexible than the older PVC, in the thickness needed for use in album pages. Polypropylene album pages do not have any plasticiser included in them.

Co Polymer is commonly used in banknotes. Perhaps this material could also be used in the manufacture of album pages. I guess it would depend on how well it can be welded.
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Simply stay with Mylar and never worry. Your coins expect you to take care of them.
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 Posted 08/25/2017  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. After reading the link commems posted, seems best to stick with the Polyethelyene Teraphalate (Mylar).
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Thank you for this information!

Was going to buy uPVC but thought to search for any guidance on the subject. Obviously my search landed me here. Happy I took a second to look for a comparison of uPVC vs PET.

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jbuck has said it exactly right.
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If you want to use flips, I suggest saflip brand 2x2 or 2.5x2.5 mylar which should be at many locations.
https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pr...ips-2x2.html
https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pr...s-25x25.html

They are used by coin graders such as pcgs:
https://www.pcgs.com/store/p-18-saf...n-flips.aspx
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