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American Silver Eagles (Ase) Mint Marks And Full List ?

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Sorry - but maybe I'm either missing something, or I'm confused, which either could be true at my age of 57 years old... lol

When I try to compile a list of all Silver Eagle coins ( using that as an example ), I see lists like that found online but the lists never mentions anything about 1986-S, 1987-S, etc

For some reason I get the impression that "Bullion" equates to the Main Mint and Proof is selective to "S/P/W"...

In the end I'm trying to compile a full list of proof coins ( or maybe I'll call them "collectable coins" ) from 1986 to date.

Thanks in advance, and sorry if it's a stupid question....
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It's not a stupid question. There are many different varieties of ASE and collecting them all (and knowing the differences between them) takes some time.

Not sure what you mean by "Main Mint" but bullion ASEs are sold directly from the Mint to certain approved precious metals dealers (you and I cannot buy them directly from the mint). We can then buy them from these dealers. They have no mint mark and do not have any special mint packaging, unless you buy a large quantity of them (i.e., a tube or a monster box). Bullion ASEs have been produced every year from 1986 to date.

Proofs have, of course, proof finishes and are sold directly to collectors from the mint. They include Mint packaging and a COA. The have been minted at various mints over the years and always bear a mint mark. There are a few years where there was a special Reverse Proof ASE issued as well.

Burnished/Uncirclated are the 3rd type and often cause a lot of confusion. Like the proofs, they are sold directly to collectors and include mint packaging and a COA. These have more of a matte finish but are still very nice. Burnished/Uncirculated were new as of 2006.

There were no numismatic issues (Proof or Uncirculated/Burnished) in 2009.

Special multi-coin sets were issued in 2006 (20th Anniversary Set), 2011 (25th Anniversary Set), 2012 (San Francisco 2-Coin set), and 2013 (West Point 2-Coin Set). These special sets included Reverse Proof and Enhanced Uncirclated coins.

Hope this helps you get a start, but for more detail, like spruett suggested, invest in a Red Book and check out the link bobby posted.
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#1 - up early because I'm excited for my 4 year old, he starts his second year of pre-school today. And yes between the 2 posts I did say I'm 57 years old and have a 4 year old! OUCH !! lol

#2 - RedBook, didn't know it existed but I'll be ordering one today!
#3 - I was calling a coin without a mint mark one made by the "main mint". Maybe not quite the right way to say it, but my end translation was correct. IOW, Bullion coins do not have a mint mark on them, they are not classified as "proof" coins.

I did read somewhere that bullion coins are synonymous with uncirculated, but was a bit confused about a different item at that point, ie, burnished coins are made by using a different planchet, and appear "matte and less shiny". So is it something like
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bullion = shiny = uncirculated
burnished = less shiny = uncirculated

Or maybe stated both can be considered uncirculated ?

As for the 2 links for the listings.... PERFECT ! lol
That was EXACTLY what I was looking for, thank you so much !!

Dan ( need coffee )
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Some times coins are made without a mint mark because their production may be done at various mint locations. The Lincoln Cent is an example, and were sometimes produced at other mints without a mint mark to ease production volumes at Philadelphia.
I believe the special mint sets (SMS) were produced 1965-1967 without mint mark to reduce people hoarding. And you will probably find listings for ASE with no mint mark that have been slabbed designating where they were produced.
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I forgot to you to the forum, dgubber. Where are my manners? And have fun with 1st day of school today!

Personally, to keep the products straight, I don't use the word "uncirculated" with bullion ASEs even though that might be an accurate descriptor. The U.S. Mint calls their burnished ASE product "Uncirculated", so to avoid confusion, it's best to say "proof", "uncirculated", and "bullion" to describe those 3 distinct products. I'm sure there are some that will disagree but this just keeps it simpler based on how the Mint markets their products.

Your best bet is to study up on the differences so you know what you're buying. You should be able to tell what type of ASE it is by its description, year, MM and photo if shopping online.

Enjoy your coffee! I'm about to get some myself.
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If you want to tailor your want list for ASE, I suggest the NGC registry.

Even if you have no interest in TPG coins, they have many different options for building a set, and you can print off their lists.

Bullion only, Burnished only, Proof only, reverse proof, or combinations thereof are all possible, or you can go the one of everything route, which is around 108 different if I remember correctly. They have over a dozen different ways to tailor your collection.
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In the end I'm trying to compile a full list of proof coins ( or maybe I'll call them "collectable coins" ) from 1986 to date.

If you're going to try to compile a complete set of proof ASE's, you need to recognize out of the gate that there's one that will cost you more than all the rest of the proof ASE's combined. It's the 1995-W Proof ASE. Most people skip this one because it's so expensive and the mint did make a 1995-P Proof ASE. If you're like me and have an obsession for absolute completeness, then be prepared for it.


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I'm excited for my 4 year old, he starts his second year of pre-school today. And yes between the 2 posts I did say I'm 57 years old and have a 4 year old! OUCH !! lol

My daughter is now six and we had her when we were 41. Fortunately, she's much easier than both of my boys (so far). It's still tiring though. My daughter says she likes going to coin shows because the old men give her coins and say she's cute.


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so to avoid confusion, it's best to say "proof", "uncirculated", and "bullion" to describe those 3 distinct products.

To avoid all confusion, I say "proof", "burnished" and "bullion". That should leave no doubt about which version you're talking about. I've found that many people describe both the burnished and bullion versions as uncirculated because they appear very similar. Of course the main thing when buying a "burnished" ASE is to verify it has mint mark.


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If you want to tailor your want list for ASE, I suggest the NGC registry.

Even if you have no interest in TPG coins, they have many different options for building a set, and you can print off their lists.

Out of the gate, this is a big decision for you. All else being equal, you'll end up paying more for the certified ASE's than the non-certified ones. This is especially true when it comes to the bullion ones. There are also many options for the 3rd party holders because they offer special labels and the holders have evolved over the years. If you're picky retentive about your holders all looking the same, compiling a set will be more difficult and (probably) expensive. When I built my ASE set I decided against the 3rd party certifications and in the end I'm glad I did. However, it call comes down to what you like.

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I collected stuff that was given to me as a kid but as an adult I started off by stacking and then slightly moved into coins. I have hundreds of ASE's of all three types and about 50 Commemorative's and will continue to accumulate more but have no intention of having a full set of either as to me it seems quite unobtainable, price being the main reason. The cost of a proof ASE from the mint is pretty close to my limit for a one ounce silver coin but still get at least the proof and unc each year. Going backwards you can get proofs and uncs as well as Commems for much less than issue price unless there is great demand for the coin.

I'm just saying that if you are just getting into this, a complete ASE set is a pretty tall order. Good luck with your hobby.
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I'm already in love with this forum !! lol

To answer one question, actually he is my first, I've lost 5 believe it or not to either abortions or miscarriages ! So it's been a wondrous journey over the last few years, and I'm a single dad as well..... but I digress...

Bret - as for your reference to the 1995-P, I think you meant the 1995-W, which was only issued in the Gold anniversary set ?

As I'm really just getting started, I figured I would start with a set of the proof ASE's from 1986 to 2017 which winds up being about ~33 coins ( no reverse proofs and burnished just yet, and of course no 1995-W, etc )

I figure that's at least a good starting point, and I'm thinking of getting the couple of one's that are available with the Black Ruthenium backing.... pretty coin !

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It's funny (not the haha kind of funny) that some people view their children as a burden. I think that I appreciate them more and more as I get older and I'd do anything for them. I buy all three of my children proof and mint sets every year. They may not take up the hobby, but they'll likely have some appreciation because they know how much I enjoy coin collecting.

Yes, the 1995-W is the one that's expensive, rare and came in the gold set. The 1995-P is the regular issue proof ASE.

Having just completed an ASE set, one thing that I'd advise is to be selective about the ASE's (or any modern coin) you purchase. On average I'd say that I turned down three or four for every one that I purchased. Though proofs in theory should be perfect, they not. Plus, time takes its toll. I think the best place to get them is coin shows. You can look and a bunch of coins in a relatively short period of time. Seeing them in person beats pictures on the internet. Don't feel compelled to purchase a coin just because someone shows one to you. Most dealers have no problem at all if you turn down a coin. A few will act insulted, but it's your money.
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welcome,
A good book I found that I like but is not complete.
American Silver Eagles: A Guide to the U.S. Bullion Coin Program, 3rd Edition
It only goes from start of the ASE to 2015.
It cheapest bought at a big box book store .

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I like these also.


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I have that Mercanti book (2nd Edition) in Kindle format. It's a pretty good read and gives you insight into the history of the program. It gets a little repetitive as they walk through each year of release but there is still some good info there.
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