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1874 S Trade Dollar - Help Needed

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 Posted 09/30/2017  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cableguy, on Trade dollars the mint size and location are not a good tool to determine authencation as mark were done by hand at the local mint. The mint marks can be different sizes and position. For example, the 74 S had a mini, medium, and large size S.
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Slider, thank you for that. I didn't know that mint marks were done by hand. Is this a common attribute for US coins of the era or something specific Trade dollars?

P.S. how does one quote something here?
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I wouldn't bother sending it in to NGC. You're going to get the same result as PCGS. It doesn't sound like you have good coin dealers in your area.
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Here is a section similar to the detail pic from the last page, cropped from a PCGS CoinFacts full-size image. Comparing details, I see sufficient departure from the "good" coin - even accounting for circulation wear - to believe at this point that the OP coin is a good counterfeit.

1874-S-Trade-Dollar---Help-Needed
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I didn't know that mint marks were done by hand. Is this a common attribute for US coins of the era or something specific Trade dollars?


The typical US dies were made with the mint mark in Philadelphia and shipped to the local mint.

On the Trade dollar some dies were sent from Philadelphia with mint marks, but some of the dies mint marks were changed or added by hand at the local mints. Unless you know the specific variety it is very difficult to use the mint mark for authentication. For example, below on the 74CC Trade dollar the mint mark size changes, CC spacing changes and the mint mark position changes.


1874-CC: Mintmark .74 mm high; .75 mm spacing between C's. "Micro CC."
1874-CC: Mintmark .84 mm high; .4 mm spacing between C's. "Minute CC."
1874-CC: Mintmark.9 mm high; .75 mm spacing between C's. "Minute CC."
1874-CC: Mintmark 1.1 mm high; .55 mm spacing between C's. "Medium CC." Dot on 8 of date on obverse.
1874-CC: Mintmark 1.1 mm high; .6 mm spacing between C's. "Medium CC." Slight doubled die on reverse.
1874-CC: Mintmark 1.17 mm high; .6 mm spacing between C's. "Tall CC."
1874-CC: Mintmark .74 mm high; .75 mm spacing between C's. "Micro CC."
1874-CC: Mintmark .84 mm high; .4 mm spacing between C's. "Minute CC."
1874-CC: Mintmark.9 mm high; .75 mm spacing between C's. "Minute CC."
1874-CC: Mintmark 1.1 mm high; .55 mm spacing between C's. "Medium CC." Dot on 8 of date on obverse.
1874-CC: Mintmark 1.1 mm high; .6 mm spacing between C's. "Medium CC." Slight doubled die on reverse.
1874-CC: Mintmark 1.17 mm high; .6 mm spacing between C's. "Tall CC."

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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I appreciate the help.
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@Slider thanks for the info - very interesting. I have much to learn about the minutia of US coins.

@bkstyl sorry brother, it seems like the consensus is that this is a forgery (a seemingly very good one). Bummer It certainly had me fooled.
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