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How Much Training/ Experience Do TPG Have? How Many Work For The Company?

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Not surprised that there is no specific training and that dealers are a principal source. How could you train someone without much experience in a reasonable period of time? Hell, I've been grading coins my whole life, but you'd never know it from the percentage of correct stabs I get on the grading forums!
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Of course there is no training . You either have the ability to grade to the TPGs standards or you don't
Drawing from the dealer community is natural as they are the ones who have handled thousands and thousands of coins over time. Collectors not so much.
As to how long a Third party grader looks at a coin and makes a decision , usually less than twenty seconds .
I have watched collectors agonize over a single coin for ten minutes or longer at a coin show. Hardly a money maker in the eyes of the Pros.
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I always find that my grading get worse when I take to much time. First reaction is usually right or very very close. If I stare at something for minutes and minutes I can talk myself into a wide range of grades on something
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There is training, on the job training. I'm sure they watch the output of new hire closely and if the finalizer has to overrule them too often they get cut loose
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I'd be interested in a grader position so if anyone from PCGS or NGC checks out CCF then send me a PM. Chesterb has mad grading skillz!


So I've been checking my email and I haven't been contacted by any grading service

Seriously though I read a while back that a grader at one of the big two commented that he grades on average 800-1200 coins per day and only 10% with a glass. Assuming an 8 hour day of full grading, 1000 coins would be about 2 mins per coin.
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I know a few of the guys both fairly new and veterans. There is already a lot of great answers in this thread. I'll add some opinion. Sorry, I don't remember how to QUOTE a post.


Q: "When someone starts working as a grader for a TPG company, are they trained from scratch, and if so, how much training is given before their work is sent back to paying customers? If they need experience, how much is needed?"

A: When someone starts working for a grading service in most cases they have experience. However, some are relatives of coin dealers and the younger folks come from the training grounds of the ANA Summer Seminars or by word-of-mouth. Many worked for coin dealers in the past.

Q: "Imagine one of the TPG posting a job opening-what would they require? Or do they hire via the "old boys" network? I am not looking for a job, don't get me wrong!"

A: See above. TPGS have advertised for new hires in the past also.

Q: "The final question is, how many individual people do the grading for the largest TPG company?"

A: Stock answer is 2 graders and a finalizer, then QC guy. Believe what you wish.

Q: "Now just to add a little more food for thought, here is a way to estimate the number of people employed by a TPG company: If a grader can do 2 coins per minute (assume this for the sake of the argument), they can do 120 per hour, and roughly 750 per day assuming normal lunch and coffee breaks. That's 3750 per week and 200,000 per year (approximately). If a company does a million per year, they would need 5 employees."

Not really. If you find out where the Christmas Party is and count the couples then divid by two you'll come close. BTW, if a grader did 2 coins a minute they would be let go. There is no set time. Depends on the coin and the tier + the knowledge/experience of the grader. One former grader told me that on his first day he was told to take a break whenever he wanted and they had drinks and snacks all around the office.

Q: Imagine doing 200,000 per year! Is that even possible? Would you not go stir crazy after a while? Maybe the numismatic equivalent of highway hypnosis? If you did something 200,000 times per year, how many times would you make a mistake?

A: Most like their job and benefits and would not change. Some feel it is very stressful like being in a sweat factory. Depends on how far up the company ladder you are I guess.

Q: "Now we all know that TPG do make mistakes. I have no idea of the number. Is it possible that the graders are getting tired looking at so many coins per day, or are there procedures in place to break the monotony?"

A: See above...smoking breaks, lunch, chit-chat, walk arounds, etc.
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