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On the USPS postage calculator First Class International is an option. I selected the large envelope instead of a package. Would a #0 or #000 bubble mailer be eligible for the "Large Envelope" designation (much cheaper) or would I have to use the "package" designation (more expensive)?

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The max width, thickness, and length are listed in the item you've displayed.
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Typically, a bubble mailer will qualify only as a package. They're too thick to be considered an envelope.
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I guess when I think of a package I think of a box and a bubble mailer as an envelope. But I am probably wrong.

Ok so let's forgo the bubble mailer. If I used a standard business sized envelope and put a coin in there with a thin cardboard on each side and selected a rigid envelope for First Class Iternational would that meet the requirement for letter mail? And is a customs form needed or used on that?
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I think you could avoid the "package" designation that way. You most likely will still need to fill out a customs form for it.
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What you have most to worry about, between envelope and package, is the thickness. I haven't done this in a while, but I recall the postal clerk passing your mailer through a slot. If it goes through (with minimal effort), it's considered an envelope. If not, it's a package. The USPS website should tell you the defining dimensions.

The customs form is done regardless. Cardboard will help protect the coin, but we aware that it adds weight. If you use enough to stuff a business sized envelope, that will weigh a lot more than an extra layer of 2x2.
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What I find interesting about the whole thing is that most coins I get in the mail from Canada do not have a customs label attached, weather it be a bubble mailer or an envelope. Maybe the rules are different there, I don't know. Only a small handful have one attached.
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So I picked these up at Walmart today. Would they count as an envelope? If it matters I could remove the metal clasp.

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That counts as an envelope as it is, yes. But remember, the real qualifier is the thickness when you're sending it. If you stuff the envelope past 3/4 inch, it will be considered a package.

Technically, you do not need a customs form if you're sending only documents. If you're sending anything else, you're supposed to complete a form. I image some people get away with it for coins and otherwise harder-to-detect things. Those details are at https://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc1_009.htm -- there's a table under section 123.61.
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Thanks, I was planning on using some thin cardboard to cover both sides of the coin. Should still be much thinner than a bubble mailer. Most coins I get from Canada come in an envelope with no customs declaration attached. Does the act of adding a customs label to an envelope make it a package? I'm still unclear on that.
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The difference between "envelope" and "package" is the dimensions. It can't be clearer than that. Go to https://www.usps.com/ship/preparing...hipments.htm and see the size requirements at the top of the page. Note there are differences between small and large envelopes, and "Large envelopes that exceed size requirements of a letter will be charged package prices."
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