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2016 Penny DDO And I Think DDR?

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DDO,yes. DDR,no.
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thank you John, but when you look at PLURIBUS P, R, B, S is not doubling. Could you please explain what is it if it's not doubling. thank you.
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It is incused that is what they call incused MD I believe it's just Machine Doubling if it were doubled die they would be smaller not larger I know for quarters it is so I would think it's any incused device but I'm new so I'm still learning
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On the DDR shield incuse devices, the devices are reduced in size. On the raised devices they are enlarged in size. The best way to tell is on a 2013 DDR: CoopHome
The raised devices on this DDR look like this (with side by sides)
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The incuse DDR looks like this:
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So that is the way to tell the rule on the raised and incuse devices. But I will be using your images for the MD EPU. This is the first time I've seen them with MD on that area. Thanks

Could you do me a favor and take images of the raised devices? If they have MD on them, it would be an aid for MD on the same coins devices.
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Here are your edited images:
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thank you coop, thank you all. but why when you see enlarged devices on penny like 1972 DDO liberty or on penny 1983 DDR's they are considered doubled, but not md with enlarged. I am not trying to be a pain, just want to understand that's all. thank you very much.
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There is a difference. On raised devices, the MD altered the devices and marks them smaller from the die movement. The die is incuse for the devices, so slightest movement after the the strike alters the devices. They are reduced when you consider the overall size is altered smaller:
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On incuse devices on coins, these devices are raised on the dies. So slightest movement before or after the strike. We have seen that a lot on the ATB Quarters. About 70% of these suffer from the sightest MD to devices way of the area they should be. Again, because they are raised on the die, that movement enlarges them.
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What is the biggest issue with the MD verse Doubled dies? On a doubled die the hub makes a die that is not normal. I call them varieties. Each coin struck with this die will show the same exact hub doubling. Thus the term doubled die, because the die is doubled. On Machine Doubling examples, the examples are normal dies, but the strike alters the devices. The devices are normal sized on raised devices, and enlarged on the incuse letters. Just the opposite with a doubled die. The devices are enlarged on a doubled die (and consistant because the doubling is on the die) and the incuse devices are smaller than normal. (Take another look again on the 2013DDR I posted. All these images are from the same doubled die. Enlarged devices on the raised devices and reduced sizes on the incuse devices.

On the 1972 cents they are enlarged because they are raised on the coin, and doubled on the die.

MD is not consistent. Each strike it a random hit:
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MD can happen on doubled dies as well:
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Hope this helps? If not, ask another question.


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Thank you very much coop, it did help a lot. Excellent. You are the best. Thanks again.
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