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Turns out that the chronology of Thasos tetradrachms is tricky, and "after 146 BC" is only one of the many possible options. This article attributes them to 168-140 BC (after considering several other datings). |
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 United Kingdom
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Interesting article, and poses a conundrum but I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and not go back (though anyone with a coin from the 140's is welcome to post it)
I would like to see this thread going back further and many of my coins have date ranges of some 30 year periods so I guess we are going to have to be a little more relaxed and less strict than thus far.
So I am hoping someone has something for the 160's before Spence reposts his 170's (if he would be so kind)
I have a Roman republic coin for the 210's...pressumably some of our roman republic collectors have denarius which will get us back that far at least...
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Belgium
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I think there is only a big problem with Roman coins for this decade (160)if you want a denarius . A few months ago? I saw an offer of a denarius(CR182) with the mention very scarce in this period , checking Crawford , indeed , there was only one , all is AE .For the rest , there is no big problem to arrive at 220 BC . @ Spence : very nice monograms , I like that one at 12 h :ΩΔΕ. Arcadian ligue , AR hemidrachm , 17 mm , 2.43 gr , 4 h obv : laureate hea of Zeus left rev : Pan sitting left on a rock , in left hand a lagobolos , above knee an eagle left . Mint : Megalopolis , 171 - 168 . Ref : BCD Peloponnesos,1549(Magalopolis .albert   |
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United Kingdom
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Great coin Albert that Zeus portrait is something else. :)
Tomorrow I don't know if we want to go through the formality of reposting Spences coin or we will just say its ticked off and move onto 180's?
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Sorry for my confusion on the BC dating of decades. How is 168-175 BC different than 168-171 BC? Also, for BC dates, are we going by the earliest or most recnt decade?
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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You're right you know Spence, it isn't different. The BC lark is confusing with the bigger number coming first. SO we are still missing a 160's coin but have had two very nice 170's coins.... pfft.
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Belgium
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It is just a question of numbers .When there is no date on a coin , there is no name of an official, there is no word on a coin - like my Arcadian Megalopolis coin - , there is not a hoard with well dated coins , then I don't understand how you can date a coin . The date you can fix is only approximately , that's why the datation of some Crawford coins is in discussion .
For Greek coins , you have only an exact date with some coins after Alexander the Great .
So , my question : wich is the next decade : 160 or 170 BC ? albert
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We still haven't had a 160's coin Albert so much as I would like to move on I guess that's what we are after.
I am happy to relax our criteria regarding the Greek stuff (larger ranges of production etc) but while we are still in the Roman period it feels like we should keep our criteria in place.
As described earlier Denarius are rare in this period any bronze around?
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Sorry , David , no Roman bronze for this decade , the only coin I have is a Seleucid Demetrios I Soter AE coin 162-158 . albert
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Well surely that would do the trick Albert, do show.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Not the best quality , but the reverse is nice . Seleucids : Demetrios I Soter : 162 - 150 . AE 17 serrate , 17 mm , 4.3 gr , 9 h obv : horse's head left rev : ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΥ , in the middle : elephant's head right. mint : unknow , 162-158 . Ref : SNGIs1302 . albert   |
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Ok, so let me clarify (I know it might sound a bit thick)
With BC the larger number is the earlier date and this is the one that has to appear in the decade we want.
We were looking for a coin from the 160's BC meaning that it first was minted 169-160 BC and Albert's Seleucid coin satisfies this criteria.
It was attributed in a 12 year period instead of a 10 year one, but that seems good enough to me and this range will likely get wider as we go back with coins that can only be approximated since there is no good way to pin down the exact date.
We have also had coins for the 170's BC...
I suggest we should post 180's starting tomorrow, if all are satisfied. Is what I have said appropriate or too lenient?
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Is what I have said appropriate or too lenient? Your thread, your rules. Sounds perfect to me! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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For the decade 190 - 180 . A roman AE semis : obv :laureate head of Saturn right , behind S :mark of value rev :prow right , above S , below ROMA Mint : Rome , 33 mm , 22,8 gr , 3 h Ref : Cr139/3 : period : 189-180 THis coin comes from an old German collection , the normal weight for a semis'coin of this period is about 17 gr .albert   |
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United States
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Here is an AE21 from the Seleukid Empire (Antioch on the Orodes mint) that was issued under the authority of Seleokos IV and dates to between 187 and 175 BC. A smidge too long of a date range to move us back a decade, but I didn't want Albert's coin to be lonely this evening. I have it attributed as SC 1316.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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