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NGC MS-68*ft 1946-S Dime Vs. PCGS MS-66 FB Dime Vs. 1963 Dime

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 Posted 05/27/2008  4:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nelrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The 1946-S is not my coin. It is graded by NGC. I am curious what you all think it could grade? I am thinking this is an instance of buying the holder not the coin. The owner seems to be very adamant about what he has based upon the grade. He states on his site "Beat this grade if you ever can". I am curious what you all think it could grade?

UPDATE: OK the one of the left is the NGC MS68*(Star)Full Torch that is in the #1 Registery set at Collector's Society...which offers of over $1000 have been turned down! The one on the right is a PCGS MS66 Full Band I bought today for this comparison for $40.

I would have never thought the one of the left was MS68, I would have given a $1 or two for it if I saw it in a case at a show or shop and only because of the toning and it was silver like I did for the 1963 below!

Anyone else with me on this? I'd really like for someone to give me some insight on this comparison as I have passed up several MS68* coins in the past if this is what they look like!



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Below is an ungraded 1963 Dime I have for comparison my $1 comparison, I agree the little spot on the cheek may hurt the grade but it was $1 and is a really nice coin.
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Edited by Nelrak
05/28/2008 9:48 pm
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 Posted 05/27/2008  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can tell you one thing, that seller won't sell many coins with pics that lousy
Quite frankly, I cannot even tell whether it is circulated or uncirculated based on the pics, much less arrive at a semi-accurate grade.
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 Posted 05/27/2008  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nelrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya, I totally agree. You won't believe the price he wants for it to! I'll post the Grade and what he has asked for it Wednesday Evening!
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 Posted 05/27/2008  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BobK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tough to tell from the pic but based on the wear on the obverse over and to the left of the ear, I couldn't go any higher than VF-30 or maybe EF-40.
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 Posted 05/27/2008  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weak strike?

There are parts of the design which shouldn't be visible if the coin were to grade lower than XF. But at the same time there is obviously something not right about the dime either.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is a MS coin with a weak strike...

That said I wouldn't pay any more than silver value for it due to its eye appeal.
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 Posted 05/27/2008  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Ken,

I'm going to assume the 1946-S is a high-grade unc, probably MS-67. The toning looks original and perhaps is more attractive when viewed in person. NGC sometimes likes coins like this; did they give it a star?

All the Roosevelt dimes are readily available in NGC MS-67 and only the 1949-S will easily sell for more than about $100 in that grade. If it's in an MS-68 holder then I could see a registry set collector paying a lot more money. I can't guess whether it meets "full torch" standards but if so the price will probably be even higher.

Your 1963 looks a lot more colorful although the toning does not have as original an appearance as the 1946-S. That's not to say it's AT, it just is less typical. Are you thinking of having it graded? I'd be interested in learning what PCGS (for example) would do with this coin. I would guess the dark spot on the cheek would limit the grade.
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 Posted 05/28/2008  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nelrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Your 1963 looks a lot more colorful although the toning does not have as original an appearance as the 1946-S. That's not to say it's AT, it just is less typical. Are you thinking of having it graded? I'd be interested in learning what PCGS (for example) would do with this coin. I would guess the dark spot on the cheek would limit the grade.


I enhanced the color using photoshop on this photo to better show the different ranges of color on it. I don't think I am going to send it in since I only paid $1 for it about a year ago. It is an interesting dime though, it almost has PL surfaces.
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 Posted 05/29/2008  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with you Ken!

The NGC coin is nice and original but I don't see the overall appeal as equal to the assigned grade. The only area that I can see really clearly in the photo is Roosevelt's ear and temple, and his hair does not look fully-struck. For an MS-68 grade I expect a full strike everywhere, especially on a silver Roosevelt dime which is not known for bad strikes!

I would only buy a coin like this if I were confident that I could quickly re-sell it at a profit. Otherwise, no way!
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 Posted 05/30/2008  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the toned one but I also try to the early 50--70 Proof in a Cameo or a Uta Cameo
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OK, this has been bugging me for a while now. Several times recently I have seen mention of a "star" grade. What exactly does the "star" signify? As far as the coins' grade goes, it's imposibe to tell from the pics on the left. I agree with the posibility of a weak strike, and a LOT of the details are hidden by the toning and the holder, plus the pics seem a little out of focus to me. I like your 63 "$1" dime too.
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 Posted 05/31/2008  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Star note usually come with the details of what make it a star like DMPL & full step's & Full bands or the toning of the coin can make it a star.
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 Posted 05/31/2008  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Synopsis
The NGC Star Designation identifies coins with exceptional eye appeal or characteristics that distinguish them from other coins of the same technical grade. This does not mean that they just miss the next grade, but it can mean that they verge on the next designation. For example, an untoned PF 65 Cameo coin is not necessarily close to the PF 66 grade, but may be close to an Ultra Cameo designation.


http://www.ngccoin.com/coingrading/...ignation.asp
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 Posted 05/31/2008  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnAP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks amac44 and biokemist6! So I take it only NGC gives out stars?
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