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 Posted 09/13/2018  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secondnomore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am relatively new to this but have a Stone Mtn, Lexington and Sesqui so far. Also a Seated Half for comparative purposes.

All of them are worn down to "cameo" state... I really don't care what they would grade, I have no intention of slabbing such pieces or being part of any registry. I just want them to be worn so that the subject is a blank cameo and the rim, legends, etc are worn down noticeably. Love seeing that rim flattened down to merge with the field!

For the right price. This is not where the $$$ goes for me.

ebay has them aplenty but sometimes they aren't worn enough for my taste.

I can comprehend the fact that such pieces really don't get in this state naturally, they have a probable long history as someone's pocket piece. But that is technically "circulation" in my book.

I also have zero expectation of finding a Hawaiian or a Spanish Trail like this LOL.
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 Posted 09/13/2018  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jst1dreamr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You lost me but that is what makes this a great hobby, everybody has different tastes. There are coins out there for everybody. You should show some pics of the kind you like. Especially since you aren't asking for opinions then it can't hurt to share.
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 Posted 09/13/2018  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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All of them are worn down to "cameo" state.


That's really a contradictory statement. Cameo is also a term that applies to proofs that has to do with the frosting compared to the fields.

Circulation cameos as a slang term have certainly come out but they need the circ qualifier and a dark field to light design contrast
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 Posted 09/13/2018  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@secondnomore: This is a great thread to see heavily circulated US commemorative coins, another can be found here: http://goccf.com/t/187113.

There are several collectors of circulated commemoratives that participate here, I'm sure they'll enjoy having another like-minded collector join their ranks and discuss these coins.

Regarding the use of "cameo" to describe these coins, we created a term in the CCF Glossary a few years back:

circulation cameo
A state of preservation on a well-circulated coin that exhibits naturally darkened/toned fields in conjunction with lighter/less toned devices. The contrast between the darker fields and lighter devices, when significant, presents similarly to the cameo contrast seen on some proof coins.


Enjoy your collection! I look forward to seeing examples.


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 Posted 09/13/2018  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It also helps to understand the origin of cameo to see how it applies to coins.
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 Posted 09/14/2018  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@secondnomore - would love to see some pics! Great responses above as well.

Circ cameo seems to be a favored look for those collecting circulated silver coins/tokens/medals - I never heard any say they didn't like the 'look.'

There are various stages or degrees of it as well. It can also occur after a heavily toned coin is cleaned (and then re-toning) or simply pocketed or put into circulation. I'll see if I can post some examples and get everyone's input.

Two-toned or multi-toned coins from being circulated and then put in a folder or album can be stunning as well.

Original surfaces are preferred but aren't always 'attractive.' Other times they are, just homogeneous, honest wear.

There are certainly some objective reasons why one coin is subjectively attractive to one collector and not another, but these are sometimes difficult to describe or put into words. This has been extensively studied in the realm of human-physical beauty, and is fascinating to me, not being one to have posters of movies stars or entertainers. Symmetry is one objective measure that comes to mind.

Back to coins. Here is a Sesqui that I would call circ cameo, and dark. For some reason (I have read it has to do with planchet preparation) most circulated Sesqui's I see present as shiny, or if toned, rather flat and dull.

I gather most did not find it attractive as it hammered for $14.50 + shipping.

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Circ cameo seems to be a favored look for those collecting circulated silver coins/tokens/medals - I never heard any say they didn't like the 'look.'
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This Gettysburg obverse doesn't quite get there - still too crusty/dark in the fields vs. devices; however, the reverse seems to have enough contrast (according to the images)


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This Gettysburg obverse doesn't quite get there - still too crusty/dark in the fields vs. devices; however, the reverse seems to have enough contrast (according to the images)
Still looks rather nice to me.
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Not a circ cam, not a two-toner, just honest wear and acceptable amount of ticks and nicks.

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Very nice original example, congrats!
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Not a circ CAM, not a two-toner, just honest wear and acceptable amount of ticks and nicks.
I agree, nice and honest.
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@jbuck @CoinFrog Thank you!
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two_t, to my (untrained) eye, those are fabulous. I'd be proud to have those.
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That circ Cleaveland looks great and a lot better than a bla MS one.
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