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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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 Posted 06/20/2019  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm actually not sure whether this coin is real, or a Suceava counterfeit. My example had apparently either darkened considerably since the photos were taken (in July 2017), or I was really lucky with lighting (probably on a sunny day); in any case, those blurry photos are the best I have.

If real, though, this is by far the rarest coin type in my collection...

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Elbing, Swedish occupation of, solidus, 1657.

Obverse: CAROL GVST D G R, crowned CG monogram within inner circle
Reverse: SOLIDVS PRVSSIAE 57, arms of Elbing in cartouche within inner circle

KM# 65 (listed as "rare"), Numista 96629 (rarity 97 - I'm the only member who has it), Kopicki 9655 (R7, estimated 4-6 examples known).


...It was hilarious how I picked this coin up. I went through the bin, this coin caught my eye, I looked at the legends - "Carl Gustav of Prussia? Hey, wait, that can't be right..."

So I bought it (for $7 or so, as I recall) as an interesting puzzle to figure out, entirely unaware of the rarity.

Fun fact: having apparently made a typo in the legend when originally sharing those photos in September 2017, I kept faithfully copying that typo over and over again. Only in this post did I manage to notice and fix it.
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 Posted 06/20/2019  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The type with SOLIDVS PRUSSIAE might be Kopicki 9656 (9655 has SOLIDVS ELBING)
https://wcn.pl/archive/143247?q=Polska+1657&page=2

Good news:
1. it appears to be at least as rare as you thought
2. I see no glaring problems when compared to the auction example, but I invite others to take a look, as I am no expert on such things.

Nice coin!
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 Posted 06/20/2019  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1657 King Louis XIV of France

Liard

Rouen(B)
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Lyon(D)
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Tours(E)
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1/2 Ecu with Long Curl

Bayonne(L)
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Ecu for Bearn with Long Curl

Pau mint, pellet-star-R-star-pellet
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1657 Johann Georg II, Elector of Saxony, Saxon-Albertine Line

1/4 Vikariatstaler

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 Posted 06/20/2019  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet coins being posted for today! I can bring us down to earth a bit with this French Liard dated AD 1657:

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 Posted 06/21/2019  01:56 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
France 1656-B Liard (Rouen Mint):
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 Posted 06/21/2019  05:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
also Liard, but not as nice as the others here...
1656 B (Rouen)
L.XIIII.ROI.DE.FR.ET.DE.NA
Louis XIV roi de France et de Navarre
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Charles X Gustav (1622-1660)
City of Riga, Swedish occupation
King of Poland, Lithuania and Sweden (1654-1660)
SOLIDUS CIV RIG 56
SOLIDUS CIVITATIS RIGENSIS
shilling of the city of Riga
CAROLUS GUSTAV D G R S
CAROLUS GUSTAVUS DEI GRATIA DESIGNATUUM REX SVECLĈ
Carl Gustav, by the grace of God, king of Sweden

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 Posted 06/21/2019  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1/4 Vikariatstaler Johann Georg II


amazing coin with beautiful obverse and complicated reverse
thanks for sharing !
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 Posted 06/21/2019  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 3 Kreuzer from Austria dated 1656 AD:

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 Posted 06/21/2019  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1656 King Karl X Gustav of Sweden

18 groshen

Swedish occupation of Thorn (Torun) in Poland-Lithuania
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 Posted 06/21/2019  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1656 Charles II, Prince of Arches and Charleville (France)

Liard

Charleville(C)
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 Posted 06/21/2019  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1656 King Louis XIV of France

Liard

Caen(C)
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Limoges(I)
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Ecu for Bearn with Long Curl

Morlass(M), pellet-star-R-star-pellet
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Lower cow has two heads and six legs
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 Posted 06/22/2019  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Lower cow has two heads and six legs

µExtra long nipples ?
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Here is an Albus from the German City State of Frankfurt am Main dated AD 1655:

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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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