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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Always have wanted to assemble a wild man collection


me too, for some reason it never happened .
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1636 -- Principality of Boisbelle and Henrichemont, Double Tournois:
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That prior CCF wildman thread is here for those who are interested in learning (and seeing) more:

http://goccf.com/t/264257

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Lorraine 1635 Teston, Duke Nicolas Francois, minted in Florence.

An issue with very strange circumstances, similar to those mentioned by @joecoin in a 1642 post. In 1633, Duke Charles IV of Lorraine (whose earlier reign had peculiarities I will describe in about a week) was accused by Richielieu of conspiring with Gaston d'Orleans (who featured on coins in some of t360's posts in the early 1640s) against the French crown, and pressured to abdicate in favor of his younger brother, Nicolas Francois. Despite the abdication, the French invaded Lorraine in 1633. Nicolas Francois exiled to Florence, and apparently had little appetite for European politics during the 30 Years' War, as within a few years he abdicated his title ... back to Charles .
The French would continue to occupy Lorraine until 1661, at which point Charles was restored (I posted a coin of the restored Charles IV for 1665).
An interesting historical note on Nicolas is that his great-grandson, Duke Francis III of Lorraine, married Maria Teresa of Austria in 1736, thereby founding the house of Hapsburg-Lorraine, so Nicolas is the male ancestor of all the rulers in that line, including the 18th and 19th century emperors of Austria.
The only coins struck in Nicolas' name were testons dated 1634-37. NGC lists them under German States - Lorraine, but I think they are also in some Italian catalogs since they were struck in Florence.
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1635 King Louis XIII of France

hammered 1/2 Franc

Toulouse(M)
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1635 Frederick III, Duke of Holstein-Gottorp

1/8 thaler

Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp
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Here is a Double Tournois from the French County of Nevers-Rethel dated AD 1635:


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1635 -- Archduchy of Austria, 3 kreuzer:
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1634 jeton from Brussels, Spanish Netherlands

Obv. Monkey feeding a turtle DISSIDET QVOD IMPAR EST
Rev. Coat-of-arms of Engelbert van Raveschot INCERTUS CANO CRAS

this jeton which expresses a longing for peace after 70 years of war between The Netherlands and Spain was discussed at length in a separate thread about one year ago:

http://goccf.com/t/324013

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SOLIDUS.CIVI.ELBING.34
SOLIDUS CIVITATIC ELBING
solidus from the city of Elbing
GUST.ADO.D.G REX.S
GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS DEI GRATIA REX SVECLIA
Gustave Adolph, by god, king of Sweden
struck postmortem
(hf) - Heart with flag Marsilius Philipsen (1628-35)?
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Lovely Hapsburg 3 kreuzer coins the last few days, and another interesting historical jeton.


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Gustave Adolph ...
struck postmortem

And here is it's successor, minted the same year, but in the name of Christina (obv: CHRIS DG REG SVE).
Swedish occupied Elbing (Poland) 1634 solidus.
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1634 -- Principality of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, 2 mariengroschen:
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Here is a 1/24 Thaler from the Polish City of Elbing dated AD 1634. You will see a couple more of this type from me in the upcoming week.

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That makes two of us.
Though on a couple of those dates I've got others (rare for me).
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1634 Gaston, Duke of Orleans

Double tournois

Dombes (example 1)
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Dombes (example 2)
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