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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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I really like the positive/negative "Maltese" cross design

Apparently so do a lot of other collectors.
Both Gdansk and Elbing are former strongholds of the Teutonic knights, which I think explains the Maltese cross in the designs of their city emblems. Not sure why they both chose to use two crosses. And indeed the pos/neg and crosshatching make the ELbing design fun.
There are also groats (and schillings?) from Sigismund I reign with this emblem.

I have another Polish groat,Gdansk mint, for 1538:
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1538 -- Duchy of Prussia, 1 groschen:
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Hungarian Denar dated AD 1537:


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Another

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1537 is a rare year for me where 3 collecting themes intersect, and I have a Polish (of course!), German, and Lorraine coin. So here is the least common, a Lorraine teston of Duke Antoine, Nancy mint.
I know @spence "collects" unusual representations of letters, so check out the letter R at 8:00 in LOTHOR and at 10:00 in BAR. This engraver did some unusual things with H as well:
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A contemporary painting of Antoine, by Hans Holbein in 1543. I find it interesting that, like Sigismund I in Poland, Antoine never wears a beard on his coins, but in old age is painted wearing a beard .
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very nice beardless portrait of Antoine !

sorry that I squeeze in at this hour a late medieval jeton from Brussels picturing Sainte Gudule and Saint Michel, the two patrons of the city
Dugniolle (#1360) attributes the jeton to 1538

on the obverse Evil attempts to seduce Sainte Gudule
on the reverse Evil is slain by Saint Michel

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All great coins today and of course a good opportunity to see some odd letterforms.
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A wonderful representation of St. Michael, who makes quite a few numismatic appearances around this time: at least England and Naples ... probably others.
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1537 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 1 denar:
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1536 1 KB Denar.
Holy Roman Emperor.
Ferdinand I.

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Ditto:

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Poland, 1536 trojak, Elbing mint:
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1536 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 1 denar:
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My earliest dated Polish coin from the Elbing mint, a 1535 groat
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Nice Groat @tdz! Here is a contemporaneous one from Thoron:


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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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