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Here is the same coin, but minted a year earlier: 1480 Brabant (Antwerp mint):   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Given the prodigious mintages, I wonder if Levinson calls any of these double briquets rare? I realize the availability 5 centuries later can depend on many things, but here are the mintage statistics give in deWItte (not by date on coin, but by date minted ... probably these are also listed in Numista):
Charles (dated 1474, 1475, 1476)
Dec. 1474 - Mar. 1476 2.06 million
Mar. 1474 - Oct. 1476 1.56 million
Oct. 1476 - Jan. 1477 0.56 million
Marie (dated 1477, 1478, 1479, 1480, 1481)
Sept - Nov. 1477 0.51 million
Nov. 1477 - May 1478 1.19 million
May 1478 - May 1479 1.90 million
May 1479 - Mar. 1480 1.75 million
Mar. 1480 - Apr. 1481 1.58 million
May 1481 - Oct. 1482 1.03 million
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Good question @tdz. Not surprisingly, Levinson's scarcities ratings are Common (251+ pieces available) for all but the 1480, which is Scarce (101-250 pieces). Of note Levinson specifies that these are only coins available in private hands (as opposed to mintage values or even total known values since those pesky museums hardly ever seem to sell off their rarities). 1474: C 1475: C 1476: C 1477: C 1478: C 1479: C 1480: S 1481: C Levinson adds a little more color on this subject: Quote:
First, rarity mnust be defined in the context of this book's subject matter. The most "common" early dated coins are double briquets of the Burgundian Netherlands dated between 1474-1481 and several types of Saxony coinage from 1475-1499. The unusually well-preserved mint records of of the Burgundian Netherlands reveal a staggering number of double briquets were issued--literally in the millions. While recoinage from later rules both within and outside the territories likely took its toll, the numbers extant of the most common of these dates from the larger mints of Brabant and Flanders likely exceed 1000 pieces. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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1479 -- Duchy of Brabant -- 2 stuivers (double briquet/vuurijzer):   |
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Nice one! Here is a smaller coin--a Gros from the Belgian County of Flanders (Bruges mint) dated AD 1479:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Levinson's scarcities ratings are Common (251+ pieces available) for all but the 1480, which is Scarce Thanks for that info. It's tough to explain that, given the rather consistent year-to-year mintage figujres  I have same coin as @pepactonius for today   |
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I have same coin as @pepactonius for today Yours seems to be in better condition -- mine seems to have a lot more of those small lumps on the surface. I just hope they're not casting bubbles. |
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1478 -- Electorate of Saxony / Margraviate of Meissen / Zwickau, 1 spitzgroschen:   |
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1479 -- Duchy of Brabant two very nice lovely coins! |
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Here is my Jager from the Netherlands Bishopric of Utrecht dated AD 1478:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Wow! Neat coin, and a testament to the endurance of that gros tournois design (as adopted in other places).
@pepactonius, I'm not sure what those bumps are on the double briquet (pitting of the die?). You've got bolder and more complete legends than mine, which may have endured a bit of clipping, like the one shown for 1481.
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 Yes, a very nice coin! I notice that the jager has 13 lis while the gros tournois has 12. The general perception is that the 12 lis of the gros tournois symbolizes its value of 12 deniers. Does the number 13 have some significance for the jager? |
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1477 -- Electorate of Saxony / Margraviate of Meissen / Zwickau -- 1 spitzgroschen:   |
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Duchy of Brabant 1477 double briquet, Antwerp mint   |
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I notice that the jager has 13 lis while the gros tournois has 12. The general perception is that the 12 lis of the gros tournois symbolizes its value of 12 deniers. Does the number 13 have some significance for the jager? Good question, but one to which I don't know the answer.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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