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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Here is a Spitzgroschen of the German City State of Saxony (Zwickau mint) dated AD 1477:


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1476 -- Duchy of Brabant / Antwerp -- 1 demi briquet:
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Here is a Double Briquet from the same year and place as @pep's coin:
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 Posted 12/22/2019  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pair of very nice coins!
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1475 -- Electorate of Saxony / Margraviate of Meissen / Zwickau Leipzig, 1 spitzgroschen:
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How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Fifth-Edition!-Ended-At-1461-Waiting-On-1460-C.-E.-A.-H.-864

Nothing more from me until 1471 (the 1473 hasn't arrived in the mail yet).
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Another great coin @pep and I'm looking forward to seeing your '73 when it arrives. My Spitzgroschen was minted in Leipzig and with that six-pointed star, I'm pretty sure yours is too. At least according to Levinson, the mintmark for Zwickau is a crescent moon with an anulet on either side.

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I have another double briquet from the Duchy of Brabant. This is my earliest dated coin, though I will enjoy watching over the remaining days, and will chime in with a couple of other coins from this period as we start to fizzle out.
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Another great coin @pep and I'm looking forward to seeing your '73 when it arrives. My Spitzgroschen was minted in Leipzig and with that six-pointed star, I'm pretty sure yours is too.


Too much cutting and pasting -- the "Zwickau" text came from the 1477 or 1478 coin.

BTW - the 1473 coin from Juanpur Sultinate (AH878) has arrived -- I need to schedule an urgent photo session so as not to delay this thread.
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That's good!

In the meantime, I should probably try to get a 2020-dated coin somehow, for the upcoming Sixth Edition (and take some photos of my coins dated 2019, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2011... I know that I already have 2018, 2013, and 2012 photographed).
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Here is a Briquet from the Netherlands Duchy of Brabant (Antwerp mint) dated AD 1474:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Fifth-Edition!-Ended-At-1461-Waiting-On-1460-C.-E.-A.-H.-864
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Really a lovely coin! A 1474 Brabant coin is on my list, and it would be nice to have a different denomination (I only have double briquets)

We've now seen coins issued in the name of Charles ("the Bold"), Duke of Burgundy, Brabant, Flanders, etc. for 1476 1475 and 1474.

Charles was a larger than life Renaissance figure who aspired to turn the duchy of Burgundy into a kingdom. https://www.britannica.com/biograph...-of-Burgundy
In the process, he attempted to acquire by purchase, war or treaty, many lands that were previously on the edges of "Burgundian" lands, despite the defensive maneuvers of Louis XI of France to thwart him.

In late 1473, Rene II had just been anointed Duke of Lorraine, territory which stood in the way of Charles uniting Burgundy with his holdings in Burgundian Netherlands to the north. War broke out in 1475, with Charles capturing Nancy, the capital of the duchy, in November, and then defending it against Rene, who counterattacked with a larger army of his own, and Swiss mercenaries.

Charles was both defeated and killed in the January 1477 Battle of Nancy, ending the era of Burgundy as a major European power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nancy

Common Lorraine coins were not dated until 1512, so I will show an undated 1/2 plaque of Rene II of Lorraine (1473-1508). Rene introduced the reverse device of an arm with a sword emerging from clouds, with the latin legend "Fecit potentiam in brachio suo," or "He has shown strength with his arm," a direct reference to the Burgundian conflict
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Kingdom of Bohemia, part of the Holy Roman Empire.
Prague grossus (groschen)
no date
Wladislaw II (1474-1516)
GROSSI.PRAGENSIS
Prague groschen
Inner circle: VLADISLAVS SECUNDUS
Wladislaus the second
Outer circle: DEI.GRATIA.REX.BOEMIE
by the grace of God, king of Bohemia
Literature: Castelin 93 or var
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1473-1474 -- Sultanate of Juanpur, BI tanka:
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How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Fifth-Edition!-Ended-At-1461-Waiting-On-1460-C.-E.-A.-H.-864

- Rajnor 2737, Goron and Goenka J27

AH878/01/01 = AD1473/05/29
AH878/12/30 = AD1474/05/18

(year of maximum overlap = 1473)
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Nice work @pepactonius! Glad we aren't getting stuck here.
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Here is a Stuiver from the Netherlands City of Deventer dated AD 1472 (ANNO DOMIN +MCCCC LXXII).

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Fifth-Edition!-Ended-At-1461-Waiting-On-1460-C.-E.-A.-H.-864
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