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Are US Coin Denominations Difficult To Determine?

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I believe that this Country became great because we wanted to live free of religious persecution and the set ways of old Europe where tradition was stifling.

It seems like some are proposing erecting our own traditions and stifling ways that ignore simple problems that can be easily addressed.

This thread is about putting the number of cents or dollars that a coin is worth on a coin.

I am at a loss as to why people are so against considering or discussing this.

I would posit that America is great because we rejected the rigidity of old European institutions and came up with new, innovative forms of governance that addressed problems in an agile, inclusive and innovative ways.

When we abandon that, we have become what we came here to escape.
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It has never been a difficulty for me, but then I am from Canada and are used to US coins, which actually circulate here, and used to be mostly identical in size and shape.

Aside from Canada, I do not think that US coins are usable in foreign countries, so the average person need not been concerned until they travel to the United States. If you travel to the US, surely it is reasonable to expect someone to learn a few basic things like what the currency and coins look like, and a few things like traffic rules and the meaning of street lights.
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Aside from Canada, I do not think that US coins are usable in foreign countries


A lot of foreign countries use the USD as their currency such as Ecuador, El Salvador, The Virgin Islands ect. Many other countries like that accept US currency as an alternative second currency.
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@ numismatic student , I have to congratulate you on making this thread so intense and have so many members responding . The thing is I'm very much satisfied and accustomed to our coinage .I have nothing against people from other countries besides the U.S. I have even dealt with members from abroad . My views on your thinking is somewhat likes crazyb0's . Let the other countries worry about their coinage .We don't need to be like them and they don't need to be like us . ''To each his own'' One of my favorite sayings .
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In the early years most of our coins did not have denominations on them. As with the British custom of the time people were expected to know the value of the coins based on their size and metal composition. Later when denominations were added they were done as numbers, possibly because most of the country had a low literacy rate. Nost people that could not read could still understand numbers. Later as the literacy rate increased denominations tended to switch from numbers to being written out. Today, while the literacy rate is still high, I do believe it is declining and more people are doing less and less reading (At least a quarter of my high school graduating class could not read at better than a third grade level.). At the same time there has been more and more of a push to change the denominations from written word back to numbers.

The idea of using numbers on the Euro coins makes sense. The coins were to be able to circulate anywhere in Euro District and that encompasses at least seven languages. If the denomination was written out, what language do you use? Some country would feel offended. And writing it out in seven languages? I don't think so.
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Besides that, and as has been pointed out many times on this forum...just how much is change used anymore in populated US areas anymore ...let alone our coins being used in daily commerce overseas?
To be fair, US coins are used in daily commerce overseas - in places like Ecuador or Zimbabwe.


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If the denomination was written out, what language do you use? Some country would feel offended. And writing it out in seven languages? I don't think so.
And, in fact, some countries' national sides do write out the denomination in words (Greece and Austria come to mind).
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My family never had a problem spending any type of US coinage and smaller US banknotes in Canada, Mexico, even the UK, and of course Cayman, Jamaica, Bermuda, all the Saintly islands, and these shop owners in the touristy areas are smart-- they know the exchange rates and I have been skimmed a little bit but it really doesn't bother me. A shop owner told me, "of COURSE we take dollars, Senor. We don't put the dollars in the bank. We keep the dollars and spend our peso
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I agree our money is confusing. I think we should redo all our coins so that the smallest is the least in value. Then slowly getting bigger as the denomination gets bigger. And so no more confusion, we should put the denomination of each coin in one large number on one side and then say what it is on the other side with different languages such as Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, German, Russian, Polish and if room, Navaho. Even English is still used here anymore. Then change the Quarter back to the 20 Cent coin which would be more in line with the Metric system.
All our paper money should be changed to agree with all the stores where everything is less than even amount such as the new 0.99, 1.98, 3.99 bills.
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Halves and dollars notwithstanding, I have never met a single person who didn't know how to use our currency. It's taught multiple times in elementary school, and I could add up the value of my piggy bank when I was seven.

I have never talked to a foreigner who had to use our currency, but a five minute crash course should be able to bring any halfway intelligent adult up to speed.
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I think we should redo all our coins so that the smallest is the least in value. Then slowly getting bigger as the denomination gets bigger.

Stop making the cent and five cent, there you go, DONE. The half and dollar already don't circulate so we don't have to worry about them. If you drop the dollar note so the dollar coin circulates, and keep the half as not intended for circulation it still works. Saved money and didn't have to change anything. And the coins still work in the vending machines without having to modify anything.
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Stop making the cent and five cent, there you go, DONE. The half and dollar already don't circulate so we don't have to worry about them. If you drop the dollar note so the dollar coin circulates, and keep the half as not intended for circulation it still works. Saved money and didn't have to change anything. And the coins still work in the vending machines without having to modify anything.
Works for me.
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The way I see this discussion it doesn't really boil down to money. I see it as the mentality that thinks we (Americans) should bend over backwards to accomodate the people from other countries (many of which hate us) that want us to live there way even though they flee their country to come here. I have been to eleven other countries and never have I asked them to change there customs for me because I didn't want to make an effort to usderstand their ways. The young in America are doomed if they do not learn what made us strong. If Europes monitary system was so good why do countries keep trying to go back to the old way.

Why don't you go to Japan and try to make them change the five yen shown below so it shows a "5" or to UAE and tell them we don't understand the below 50 Fils coin.
Oh no they might cut your head off for telling them to be like you.
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What have you done lately in support your country other than complain that you would prefer to make it like some other country?

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I also have to give big thumbs down to the UK regarding the introduction of the 'royal shield puzzle' series of 1 to 50 Pence, where the numerals were removed. This was in 2008.


I agree with you there, X2an. I quite often take cruise ship passengers (mostly from America or Western Europe) on day excursions from the port of Dover, and they always find these coins confusing.
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And, in fact, some countries' national sides do write out the denomination in words (Greece and Austria come to mind)

Checked out the Greek and Austrian euro coins The Austrian does write out the denomination in words on the obvere, but only for the 1 and 5 Euro cents All the rest use numbers. On the Greek coins Euro or Eurocent is written out in greek butthe denomination is still expressed as a number. And those are mostly for the convenience of their own populations, the reverse are still the common reverse used on all Euro coins with the denomination expresses as a number.
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It was amazing to see how quickly this thread got derailed from a question/suggestion about the way our coins are denominated into a series of haranguing posts that all but accuse OP of being anti-American or unpatriotic simply because he or she might prefer to see numerals instead of words for denominations.

We use denominations borrowed largely from European colonial coinage. Of the Half Cent, cent, nickel, Half Dime, dime, quarter, half dollar, and dollar, only the nickel can be said to be a truly American denomination in its creation.

The basis of United States coinage as fractions of 100 and 200 (and originally 1000) instead of the British 240 pence to the pound, the German 288 pfennige to the thaler, or the Spanish denominations 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4, and 8 Reales actually showed a great deal of "forward thinking" at the time -- Britain did not lose L/S/D until 1970, Germany remained on the old system until 1876, and Spain did not decimalize until the 1860s-70s at home and 1890s abroad.

I do not think that the American coinage "needs" to be changed to include a numeric denomination, but would not be opposed to such a change. At a minimum, it could resolve some discrepancies such as the size of a nickel relative to that of a cent or a dime in an era devoid of precious metals in our coins.

Britain did not lose its national identity, nor Spain, nor Germany, in the wake of changing to decimal denominations or the Euro, so the concept that the denomination of a nation's circulating coinage is somehow inextricably linked to a national self-identity is perplexing and has no basis in historical fact, given that coinage denominations have been in flux since the days of the Romans and Greeks.
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