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Valued Member
 United States
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Wow, I have to admit, I am surprised, 41 vs 6. So far we have only 14% female vs 86% for males in our coin community. I coulda swore we had many many more females in here. Perhaps they are afraid to answer, I can't imagine why. They don't have post or answer to this post--just sign in and VOTE!!--Come on ladies get outa the closet-- 
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Valued Member
United States
123 Posts |
I'm female and 34. I have been collecting since I was four, so I once fell into the under-30 female category.
For some reason (and I'm not entirely certain why), coin collecting has always been a male-dominated hobby (but never exclusively male). It would be interesting to go into a massive sociological investigation as to why this is the case, but I doubt anyone will ever do it. This situation may be changing slowly, but still whenever I go to coin shops or coin shows, I see far more men than women.
Heather
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Welcome to the CCF H_t_H.....  The main reson why there are more males than females collecting boils down to the simple fact that females are too busy spending them...[:p] 
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Valued Member
United States
123 Posts |
You're right there! I'm really good at spending money. I can spend four hours or more at the mall.
Heather
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
438 Posts |
I'm 21 and male.
With regards to the lack of females and the male over representation within the hobby I believe this is because of one key factor.
It has been said women don't enjoy collecting, women aren't collectors. This is rubbish... most (but not all) of the women I have known all collect something. Shoes and general clothing seems to be the favourite, although if my father is anything to go by he buys more shoes and coats than anyone I've ever met. So stereotypes are not absolute.
That said the one reason I've come across that seems to be more possible than most is the male obsession with ordering things and listing things. Look at the male dominated hobbies, coin collecting, sports statistic collecting, train spotting etc. They all involve collecting something and putting it in order and making lists of it. It is said that this type of categorisation behaviour is more common to males than females. However, this doesn't explain why most librarians and archivists are female... and boy do they make lots of lists!
So who knows?
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Pillar Of The Community
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AEtheling its about time you showed up here! Apparently you have been OUT on one long coin buying spree?
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Valued Member
United States
123 Posts |
There probably are psychological traits that predispose people to collecting. I like to play around with MBTI theory (a form of personality typing) and related psychological theories. It is somewhat controversial, and I don't believe it gets everything right, but it can be a useful tool. From this theory, it seems that a combination of two cognitive functions may play into this. Sensing, directed internally, concerns data storage, recall, and connections with the past. Thinking, directed externally, concerns ordering the world according to objective criteria, looking at empirical data, etc. These two functions, combined, would tend to lead to categorizing and organizing things. Some studies have indicated that, while preferences for thinking and feeling are about evenly split in society, men disproportionately prefer the thinking function, while women prefer the feeling function. However, there are significant numbers of people who deviate from this, so broad assumptions about individuals based on gender may be incorrect.
I am a type that prefers neither sensing nor thinking (I prefer internally-directed feeling, combined with externally-directed intuition). However, the precise combination that I was talking about, the one that goes well with categorization, is in third and fourth place, and I have developed these functions pretty well. But for me to want to do organize things, I need a compelling (generally emotional) reason. Coins, with their strong connections to history and other cultures, past and present, appeal to my primary functions. So to keep track of what I have, do research, and put the coins where I can easily find them again, I have to sort and categorize them. I wouldn't do this with something I didn't care deeply about.
I wonder if this gender disparity between the thinking and feeling functions has something to do with the greater numbers of men in the hobby. When I meet other coin people in person, it is clear to me that my personality is quite different from the norm in the community. This isn't a bad thing - it is just an observation I have made over the years, but it does make me wonder why I am so drawn to coins when, in many ways, I am not the "typical" coin collector. I guess, within any group or subculture, there is a certain amount of individual variation.
These are just some thoughts and opinions. Yours may vary.
Heather
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New Member
United States
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Female 42 and collecting for quite some time! We just don't want men to know we can "keep" money. Lori
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
438 Posts |
Well Heather I'm known for being a bit Harry opposite. I tend to be more of a follow my feelings kind of person, rather than a rational thinking kind of person (and I'm a collector!). Although I have moments when I'm more of a thinker than a feeler. I find the two are often in conflict with me but I know the reason for this.
Some research shows that it's less gender specific and more about which side of the brain you use.
Right handed people tend to be more rational (as the left side of the brain is the rational, logical part), lefties tend to be more emotional (as that is what the right brain side controls).
It is ultimately slightly more complex than that as it doesn't always come down to just to which hand you prefer to write with, but whether you are left/right footed, favour the left or the right eye/ear more (when you answer the telephone do you always use the same ear?).
As a person that is very ambidexterous (slightly favouring the left), I tend to sometimes think with the left, sometimes with the right and thus it creates contradiction, which is why I like history and science! Science/Maths/Techincal drawings/Logical things are favoured by the left half of the brain (i.e right hander friendly), Poetry/Literature/History/Romance/Art are favoured by the right half of the brain (i.e left hander friendly).
Which is why many of my history teachers were left handers as were several of us students. You might think, well 'I'm right handed and I love poetry and art and stuff like that' (incidently I hate poetry). True but when growing up who taught you to write and did they stick the pen in your right hand? The reason stuff like this is just starting to show up more is because children are now being encouraged to write with the hand they prefer, rather than what is customary (and not communist)! So which side of the brain you use most is more clear.
I would think most list compilers and collectors who love categorising and organising are right handed. Those that appreciate the history and art behind the coins more and the more sentimental and wistful thinking side would be lefties or predisposed towards leftism.
Just a thought from the world of science there. It's yet to be proven either way.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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quote: Originally posted by Heather the Hoarder
It would be interesting to go into a massive sociological investigation as to why this is the case... Heather
Oh my....I look forward to your post already. [:p]
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
438 Posts |
quote: Originally posted by crystalk64
AEtheling its about time you showed up here! Apparently you have been OUT on one long coin buying spree?
I've been busy but not out buying! I haven't bought anything in months Terry, I need the break though. I'll be all the more enthusiastic when I restart!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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quote: Originally posted by Ętheling
True but when growing up who taught you to write and did they stick the pen in your right hand?
Yes, However, I have since hunted them all down.-- "Hello Clairese" This thread is taking a interesting twist. What about Jung's ideas on the projection of unconscious contents into matter? I absolutly believe we are seeing part of our own surpressed personalities in coins. Such as Jung's Shadow Archtype--contents people surpress because they believe they are bad or evil as well as good things that they refuse to acknowledge exist in them. Could we be seeing those things about ourselves in blast white vs toning? Good things about ourselves we don't think are there in--Abe Lincoln? Rebellion or anti-rebellion in Civil War tokens? Why is there so much interest in Miss Liberty? What exactly is it that is "Rebelling against the Crown"--(ego)? The Shadow Archtype, IMO, must be overwhelming for everyone, not just coin collectors, in the Western World. The moment we walk out the door in the morning we have to put on the mask that will get us through our suckie day at our suckie Mcjob. We smile at the boss and say good morning to him when we really want to leap over the desk and smack him into a coma. After awhile we start to believe that the fake us is the real us. But...."the shawdow knows" LOL BTW, this is the biggest reason why I have little faith in grading. It works partially because investors/speculators don't see themselves in their coins. They don't want to know the whys at all. It's not the same for collectors. IMO, We see too much of *us* in our coins. How can that be quantified? What about those who are collectors/investors? I believe many folks would call themselves that. How can there not be a conflict when the collector side is projecting into the coins--very subjective and the investor side is resisting that, *attempting* to use logic and objectivity?
Edited by longnine009 01/14/2006 6:22 pm
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Pillar Of The Community
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coinquest Many of us are well aware women can keep money! Shoot I have had a women keeping mine for most of my life!!! Now let me just say this, I have nothing but admiration for those women, you included, who are NOT afraid to go where no woman has gone before! I see every one as equal and rather enjoy having women in this hobby and at the coin shop! Not to mention the fact a guy can talk to most women about any topic when most men can be just a little bit more narrow minded when it comes to many topics! And I don't mean that as an insult to all the guys out there its just that many men don't journey into conversations they are uncomfortable with or an area where they lack concrete knowledge. It is much easier to avoid those levels, so to speak. Women can do nothing more than strengthen this hobby so the hobby needs them and should welcome them with open arms! Glad to have ALL the ladies here and do hope they will pull up a chair and spend a little time with this family!
Edited by crystalk64 01/14/2006 6:37 pm
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Longnine it is good to see that you are, for the most part, on the same page with me! The world is full of fakes or folks with an agenda! When we find someone who is actually him/her self ALL the time it is not unusual to latch on to that REAL friend. I brought my kids up (still doing it as I am not smart enough to quit) preaching about "being yourself" as in the end most of those plastic coated friends will not be friends at all, so you should save all the effort and just be YOURSELF! Don't be a groupie or a follower and don't get caught up in the "I have to have those green and purple tennis shoes because all my friends have them"! For the most part it has worked and my children, at least the ones that has grown up, have succeeded in being indiviuals and accepted as they are. And, fortunately, a few of those children are coin collectors even when their friends "just don"t understand" and its "not cool"! I guess what I am saying is being yourself ALL the TIME is not a bad life to live and thats all I ever really wanted and expected of me....Just be me! I sit in amazement when I see grown adult human beings working their butts off to try and be like someone else? I am dumbfounded by the masses that go crazy just to get a glimpse of another human being, whether it be a sports figure, movie star (I hate that word), politician or even the Pope? I see people standing in line for hours and days to get a glimpse of whoever, or to buy a toy, or just to be first to get a ticket? I feel for these folks as they have problems that I never wish to have. I am too busy anyway just trying to be me!
Edited by crystalk64 01/14/2006 6:38 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
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My Wife is very thrifty and I'm the one that blows the extra money! She is however great about my coin "habits". I quit smoking and drinking 10 years ago and probably spent as much on those "habits" back then as I do now on coins. At least I end up with something tangible at the end of the day! Mike 
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