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Ok all, here is the challange...Give it a go....... 3 example coins.... Lets see if anyone has learnt something about this series? Can you attribute these?..Paul  |
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i will work on this tonight or tomorrow night. I just didn't want you to think no one is accepting the challenge.  |
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Nice one scopru Just to let everyone know theres no tricks here, these are all standard types..Paul |
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Exactly what Scopru said. By tomorrow.
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So what parts of this did I leave off that you would have liked to know? I did the COIN attribution and then placed 1 variety detail below that seemed to jump out at me. However, for space and ease of reading I left the other points I saw out of the answer. Coin 1 - C/I 1/2 (1874) Elongated Pearls in Crown Coin 2 - A/II 0/4 (1866) Round Pearls in Crown Coin 3 - B/II 2/0 (1864) Round Pearls in Crown Paul this was a very interesting and fun challenge you presented. So now I await my grade  Edited by scopru
11/23/2018 07:05 am
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Well seems to be only one taker....Spot on scopru! Go to the top of the class..Grade = A+..10/10..Excellent....Well done! I hope the thread was helpful and now you have the tools to confidently identify these coins... As for the small details I wasn't bothered with these as I'm sure you saw them for example..Coin 1 double line curve in crown...Coin 2 single line curve in crown...Coin 3 single line curve in crown and small raised V at the corner of the bodice next to Last Jabot...These details are for the more fastidious collectors... Before I move onto the George V series I thought I would show a few rare types of the 1862 Rupee, some that will empty your pockets very quickly...(None of these are mine)... The new Rupee dies designed by L. C. Wyon, were shipped out to Calcutta in 1861.On arrival the matrices were found to not meet the technical requirements of the Indian mints, and new ones had to be prepared at the Calcutta mint... All Rupees dated 1861 are patterns and none were issued for circulation. This one will set you back just over $20,000 !  An experimental coin was minted in 1862 at the Bombay mint using the 1/2 anna obverse die with 4 3/4 panels...These are referred to as the 5 Panel obverse and had either the type II or type IIa reverse...A decent one will set you back $200 or so....See below..  Here is a couple of examples...  Also here are some examples of standard rarer types... The AII 1/7 around $1200 The AI 0/3 around $1000  And to finish off here is my humble 1862 set....Excuse the bad photography..  |
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I hope the thread was helpful and now you have the tools to confidently identify these coins... Paul this thread has been a very educational. I am looking forward to seeing more as we move into the next batch of coins! And that is a beautiful set you showed us Edited by scopru
11/24/2018 07:52 am
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I agree, some wonderful coins with added educational value in the presentation. |
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Hi British India coin experts, I have a 1885 rupee with a dot in-between the 1 and 8, is it a variety ?  |
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@Numister...Can you post a photo of the obverse...looks a nice coin..Paul EDIT.. Its an A/I-"C" incuse..Calcutta Mint..34,152,203 As to whether its a variant...Many Victorian rupees have a raised dot in various places and when not used as a mintmark are usually referred to as control marks (I personally think this is a loose term meaning we don't know why these marks are there)...Saying that I've not seen one like yours before..Here is another coin same type as yours with control dot in a slightly different position...  I know Director has a friend who knows a lot about small detail variations maybe he'll step in and clarify it more? Edited by Palouche
11/25/2018 6:32 pm
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I know Director has a friend who knows a lot about small detail variations maybe he'll step in and clarify it more? The dot is actually not a dot. For it to be called a dot, it has to be close to a perfect circle. That, on your coin Numister, is what advanced collectors call "extra metal" and cannot be classified as a different variety. Nonetheless, that is a nice coin, would like to see the obverse as well. Edited by Director
11/26/2018 05:11 am
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The dot is actually not a dot. For it to be called a dot, it has to be close to a perfect circle. That, on your coin Numister, is what advanced collectors call "extra metal" and cannot be classified as a different variety. Nonetheless, that is a nice coin, would like to see the obverse as well. Ouch, extra metal. You don't beat around the bush... Upon magnification, it does look like a perfect circle. Here's a pic of the front, hopefully this lady looks as good from the front as she does from the back.   Edited by Numister
11/26/2018 08:38 am
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hopefully this lady looks as good from the front as she does from the back. Thanks for posting and she certainly does! Nice looking coin with great detail!..One thing I really like about your coin Numister is the details along the bottom of the bodice showing clearly the raised V and crescent(J)...  First thanks Director for your response... Quote:
what advanced collectors call "extra metal" and cannot be classified as a different variety And also Numister.. Quote:
Upon magnification, it does look like a perfect circle. I would like to give my opinion on these replies....I don't feel I'm an advanced collector but I have handled hundreds of Victorian rupees and these control marks-extra material-(whatever you want to call them)- marks occurred frequently...We have to remember that in 1885 in Calcutta alone over 34 million coins were minted..thats a lot of silver and there had to have been some sort of control over this, be it quality, quantity, or time...Whether this was done by the marking of the dies or by another means no-one really knows!....I'll refer back to a statement I made about the dot formations on the 1862 series... Quote:
These coins were highly detailed yet the dots seem to have been created by an 8 year old with a Dremel, a diamond bit and no sense of symmetry! Answering Numisters original question . Quote:
I have a 1885 rupee with a dot in-between the 1 and 8, is it a variety ? . In my opinion no, you have a really nice looking 1885 AI-C incuse coin with an interesting dot-mark between the 1 and the 8....Paul |
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Thought I'd show a few of my Vic rupees... 1885 A/II-B raised  1892 C/I-C incuse  1882 A/I-Dot  1880 A/IV-Dot..Rosette Variety  1901 C/I-C incuse  |
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Some beautiful coins Paul! |
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