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Gold Is Not An Investment.

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I'm not arguing with you sharkman. I'm disputing the seekingalpha author's premise.

My dad bought US Mint sets for years. When I liquidated his estate the only thing that had any substantial value in those sets was the gold. It was 0.3% of his estate, so gold was an asset and not an investment. But the gold was worth far more than all his rocks, stamps, old cars, furniture, etc.
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What an interesting thread. Much of what people are saying goes contrary to what I've always thought. Thank you for the insight.

I feel like I stumbled into a debate club meeting at Harvard.
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Well, since most if not all central banks just use gold as a hedge against inflation, what good really is a hedge if it won't be used, money is being created so quickly now that it's a losing game trying to power a hedge against the inevitable.

Which is wealth destruction.

Got beat up a bit over this on another forum but I stand by it. Gold never did circulate all that well. I buy it, I have some, I'm not against gold. It's a good tangible, definitely spans the globe as a store, and means to get rid of fiat.

I tend to think that many in the U.S. don't appreciate our world reserve currency, many countries have seen pretty bad inflation at times in history, imagine if banks and government are not so trustworthy, or tax to much, people may use the old way for transactions. Certainly enough, I'm a fan of barter, and buying things used, especially my PM's.
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I believe gold will be inflated and used to stabilize currencies when people start to realize all these debts can't be paid. When Greece had trouble they used gold to buy food. Also Russia the Middle east and China have been using gold as currency during some of the oil embargos (not saying it is right just that it happened. Recently some s South american countries have been using gold as currency. It only seems to show up in emergencies ,I don't want that to happen as I am invested in a lot of companies and like dividends. I like it as insurance I want to have it I don't want to use it. As a sidebar I also purchased some palladium a while back and wow ,it pays to be diversified.
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Recently some s South american countries have been using gold as currency. It only seems to show up in emergencies


Which ones?
This was discussed at length on Reddit, recently, where people noted that Venezuela had circulating silver coinage even more recently as the US, however the argument for the infrastructure advantages of circulating silver coinage in an inflation crisis are not being seen in real life. It's not happening.

Anecdotes about 'silver being used' but no evidence. Not even wisps of evidence. Just tall tales. If that thesis were true, we'd see it play out in VZ, right now, given that the exact scenario silver bugs claim is silver's time to shine is going on there... but its not happening. They're using other currencies.
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I was referring to gold not silver I am trying to copy the article here hopefully it is allowed as I am not sure what can be copied or not. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dUSKCN1PP2QR .The books I have read stated this is how gold would be used as a currency ,not in the streets but as huge allotments to buy things for countries in trouble not as local currencies in the street (although anything is possible).
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I am not agreeing with any one point or disagreeing with any one point.

I am just adding that history makes a wonderful teacher. Humans nature does not change overall. Gold has always been assigned value by humans.

I tend to try to want to look at things in a simple light.

Its like the silver and gold market. I am no economic wizard, and I don't see myself as intellectually gifted. But its not been hard, in my life, making overall predictions about metal markets depending on how the political atmosphere in DC goes. History makes a great read.
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gold, again, is a commodity. It is an asset within the financial markets. The truth is there are times to be in certain assets.

If you recently bought gold, say in the past 8-9 years, you have seen it either go lower or go no where. Gold in that time frame has been a horrible investment.

At some point in time, gold will have its day.
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I have never seen gold as investment.
I have always seen gold as an asset, around which all other assets are valued. The values are relative to each other and are always floating.

That is why the perceived value of gold is very counter cyclical in character, relative to all other assets, and why the value of gold due to this relativity, is also seen to be variable.

I do admit to having a small gold holding.
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If gold would spike like silver I'd gamble in gold but it never will so I'll stick to my clean bacteria free silver.
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If gold would spike like silver I'd gamble in gold but it never will so I'll stick to my clean bacteria free silver.
Ahhh yes, I remember that silver spike, a blip in time. Wasn't that about ten years ago?
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That was when the Brunker Hunt brothers tried to corner the World silver market (during the 1980's).

They also had very strong numismatic interests. The were able to form one of the largest and best quality privately owned collections of ancient coins. I have seen a copy of their extensive series of auction catalogs. They had to liquidate their ancient coin collection, along with everything else.

During the time of increasing silver prices, I built up a reasonably large accumulation of scrap silver coins. I later sold them for a decent profit - before the silver price crash - to convert the holding into more numismatically significant coins, ( mainly ancients) - just like the Hunt Brothers. The quality of the ancient coins that I was able to get my hands on was only a mere shadow of the quality of the coins that they had collected.
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You can't use a gold bullet to kill a zombie apocalypse werewolf.

Silver is where it's at!
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I will take gold over any "modern" paper currency out there. They will all depreciate against it in time. Do some research and see how much purchasing power the dollar has lost since 1913. Compare that to gold. Also research how many ounces of physical gold it would take to cover all the paper contracts on commodity exchanges. Shows how easy it is to manipulate the price right now until people start to demand physical metal at settlement instead of "dollars".
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One question, why do the World's Central Banks stock pile gold? Why not wheat or some other commodity?
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