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Can Anyone Tell Me Where This Is From And What It Is Please? (Id: Likely Persian Seal Matrix)

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it looks like copper or brass
weighs 5.3 grams
might be some kind of stamp?
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My first thought is a wax seal stamp that is/was used on envelopes.
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I agree with John1. That was my first thought as well.
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any idea where it's from guys?
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I'm totally speculating by saying someplace in the Middle East judging by the characters engraved into the face. Maybe post in the World Coin section?

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If it is some kind of seal, then we are looking at the negative matrice. The finished article should look a bit like this
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Sweet!
The three numerals at the bottom look like Persian 4 4 1.
That's all I got (there are other contributors here who can read the script)
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Would concur that it is a wax seal, likely Persian/Iranian, from the style of writing. The numbers look more like "331" to me; if there was another "1" in front, then it would make sense as an Islamic date (1331). But I suspect it isn't a date; putting a date on a seal would restrict its usefulness.

It's really hard to research this on Google. Typing "Persian seal" into Google Images just returns a bunch of pictures of cats, plus a few ancient Persian seals.
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Others had the same idea so I am late with my version:

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thanks all for your input
I googled your advice and found it's also called a mattrice
again thanks to all
sincerely
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To clarify, a seal is an actual impression in wax, clay, lead, etc. The object which is used to impress the seal is called a seal matrix. "Matrice" is the spelling in French and some of the other Romance languages.
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To clarify, a seal is an actual impression in wax, clay, lead, etc. The object which is used to impress the seal is called a seal matrix. "Matrice" is the spelling in French and some of the other Romance languages.
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Very informative. Thanks Kushanshah.
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