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18xx-S Seated Liberty Quarter Dollar - Last Two Digits?

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 Posted 02/27/2019  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That zoomed in photo of the date region convinces me this coin was doctored. Not only is the cameo effect unnatural (you can see where they painted on the oxidizer and smeared some a bit too high), but the date has been tooled and sanded down to conceal it. The 1 and the 8 are sanded almost flat along with the other digits to hide the modification and make a date of 1872 plausible. There is no way the coin would have natural wear of those digits all the way down, when the date is still protected by the rim and the base of liberty seated.
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 Posted 02/27/2019  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, that does make sense.
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From the junk silver bin, it rises to tell its sordid tale again. This is what I love about this forum.
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The inscriptions and the figure of Liberty were in a hub and should not change relative to each other, but the dates were punched in by hand with a four digit logotype punch so they DO vary in position.


Conder101, I'm aware of this. Had neither date lined up I would have tried different comparison images for the overlay, then taken your approach as a last resort had I been unable to find a match. When I resized/rotated/skewed the overlay onto the first 1877-S image I tried, the date fell into place.
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I have been learning quite a lot here, and wanted to thank all for thoughts and input. My sort of final opinion would be that this is an 1877-S quarter. Period. I can't see anything that can overcome the evidence for that determination.

That said, I don't believe that the hard stuff on/around the date was put there to do date mischief, but I am starting to believe that it was used for that purpose. The 18 are almost certainly sanded down, while parts of the other two numbers seem worked a bit to get them where they are. Originally I thought someone found a dateless coin and just removed stuff until they got the date. But now I am pretty sure that at least some effort was made to make the thing look as much like an 1872 as possible.

So from my end I believe it would be reasonable to call this a counterfeit 1872. Which would be great as I collect counterfeits and this would be a neat addition to that part of my collection.
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