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Coin collecting is a great hobby. The keyword being hobby. Don't expect to get rich or even break even in most cases.
IMHO, this is the best sentence on a page full of good information.

At a coin shop, you might be better off trading them rather than selling them. I traded my surplus of silver halves for coins I needed. The dealer admitted he gave me more in "store credit" than he would have ever given me in cash for those halves. This was fine with me since it was always my intention to buy more coins from him.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked up Greysheet and $25 is on the low end offer, but not considered ripping off. Like others have said, the shop has to make a profit from the transaction to remain in business. I too, have seen buckets of lightly circulated common date coins in the $15-16 range.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Coin collecting is a great hobby...Don't expect to get rich or even break even
Most of all, we need to have a sense of fun. I suspect collectors are friendly here because they're having fun and want to spread that around.

Sadly, the hobby has been sullied somewhat by a trend to regard every single coin as an "investment". While it's fun to find something valuable, at some point the fun breaks down while stacking the coins against a balance sheet of current trends.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jbuck has some great advice (along with the others) that trading will get you a better return than selling when it comes to common coins, especially if you know the dealer. It is a business and I do not know a single business that buys back at full price with no return.

The price guide is exactly that, a price guide. It is put together with information from a certain number or dealers, sellers and auction houses to come up with an average price and something to look at for a comparison. Right now a fair amount of coin stores are hurting because so many people are selling and not buying which makes them more of a pawn shop than anything else. You need to put yourself in the shoes of whoever you are trying to sell to, if they already have a large number of the coins you are trying to sell then what makes yours any different. Talk to your owners and they will tell you that in due time they will have to sell that coin at a very low price and hopefully make a small profit if not break even.

The best example of this I can give is my local coin shop and their half off table, most items there will just break them even without any margin of profit. They feel that if you get a great price there then you are more likely to buy other items in the store. At the end of last year I bought a 50 year old Whitman folder of Lincoln Cents that was dated 1909-1959 that was mostly full for $10. The 1909 was worth $25 alone and the rest of the set was easily worth $300+ but where they are mostly common coins they had a tough time getting more for it. Which also means that if I paid $10 then the seller did not get more than that.

If you are going to sell your coins you do have a better chance going somewhere else. A lot of people do not like ebay but if you put both coins together you would get a better price for them, or do what others said and get 50 posts and sell them here. The only downfall I can see is that if it is not a popular third party grader it may affect the price a bit as well.
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Jbuck has some great advice (along with the others) that trading will get you a better return than selling when it comes to common coins, especially if you know the dealer.
I would like to add that it also helps if you plan to spend some cash with your trade. That is, buy more than you have in "store credit" from the trade. This will grease the wheels some and hopefully get you more credit from your trades. From the dealer's point-of-view, this ends up being a sale and not just an "even trade" that he has to find a way build his profit into.

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Right now a fair amount of coin stores are hurting because so many people are selling and not buying which makes them more of a pawn shop than anything else. You need to put yourself in the shoes of whoever you are trying to sell to, if they already have a large number of the coins you are trying to sell then what makes yours any different.
Exactly. Think of coins like used cars, especially SUVs, in the current market. Why should a dealer give you top dollar for your Tahoe when he already has five more of them that he cannot get rid of? Sure you might be able to get more for it, but you will have to work and find the person that needs it. This is where a venue like ebay comes in.
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It was probably fair, and you probably felt a bit slighted by it, but morgans being what morgans are, a dime a dozen in commons, you can't really expect more. If you really want to get rid of them for a better price than that, try and list them on a site like here for a fair value.
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 Posted 08/20/2008  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What I'm interested in, and from a glance at the replys I don't think anybody has mentioned it, is if silver values were higher would he have gotten more money?

Like, right now, the silver value of a dollar is like....ten bucks. But just two months ago or so silver was over nineteen dollars an ounce. So if silver was higher would he still have gotten just 25 dollars for the pair?
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ive wondered that with silver coins too. Since this is the first real drop we have seen in years. Are we going to start see silver coins fall in value or will they hold their ground?
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We were paying 12-14 face not long ago for commons. Since then it has plummeted to 10 so yes a higher silver price would have brought more money.
Other silver coinage we now pay 8 times face so we actually DO give a premium above for silver dollars.

When silver gets high it actually does have a tendency to "erase" numismatic value on many coins. Our half dollar bucket is loaded with Franklins and Walkers.

Take a good look at a price guide when silver is real high. You'll notice that retail is LOWER than melt on many common silver coins.

Volatile precious metal prices are tough on both buyer AND seller.
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I bought 4 VG Morgans for $10 each at a local antique store. Now I have to go back and buy the Peace dollars from him also. Coin shops are not going to even come close to any price you find in a book. It's the same as trading in your car at a dealer or selling it yourself. Your $2000(coin or a car) is only worth $500 when they are the ones buying. Buying a coin at a shop you are going to pay for the rent,elect,salesmen wages,ect. All store owners might as well just put a sign up that says "these coins cost more because you are not buying online da" Shopping in a store has some good benefits. You do save on shipping and also can get a better look at the grade,better return policy,ect
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Buying a coin at a shop you are going to pay for the rent,elect,salesmen wages,ect.

Now this is just my opinion, but I prefer to pay just for the coin, thank you. How a dealer manages their overhead is their business--not mine. I only care about getting a good coin for a fair price. Some dealers make wise purchases--and some do not, where the latter will overgrade or clean their coins to make a profit.

I say this only for the benefit of other collectors, because dealers come in all types, and a few will try to pull something on you. The better ones are very up-front about the coin, the grade, and market price. Unless it's a really hot coin series, you should be able to find the coin below CV. I only say that because I do at shows repeatedly.

I suppose my point is--most people recognize good will and know when someone is willing to negotiate. If you don't get that from a dealer, it's time to find one who does. This is why shows are so great--instant second opinions!
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 Posted 08/20/2008  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clembo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
KurtS,

There are 5 shops within easy distance of my house. I only deal with two for reasons you have stated.

One, I now work for, the other I am still a welcomed customer. They are in neighboring towns and get along quite well.
They sell to different clientele but if a customer comes in that has been to the "other" shop we certainly don't bad mouth him.

Honest dealer and well respected. We refer customers to him and vice versa. Customers benefit from this as well.

Of course there is competition but as in any business there is a modicem of respect. Dealers work together a lot and many don't realize this.

Bad mouthing the "competition" is not wise. If a dealer is legit and can better fill a customer's needs by all means lead the customer to that dealer.
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 Posted 08/20/2008  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clembo,
I sounds like you have very good dealers around you.
I don't intend to bad-mouth anyone, but I've learned whom I can trust.
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I don't intend to bad-mouth anyone, but I've learned whom I can trust.

That's really the most important "rule", one just hopes that one doesn't lose too much money or get taken too badly, while figuring that out !
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 Posted 08/20/2008  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clembo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
KurtS,

I know where you're coming from. If you really look at it I trust 2 of 5 dealers locally. 40% ain't that hot really.

I consider myself VERY lucky to have two good dealers within 15 minutes of my house.
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