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1795 Fh $1 You Vs PCGS

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USSID feel free to make another guess. No point in leaving an opportunity open


Well, thanks anyway. I'm obviously way behind the curve on these. I'll just get in your way. I'd rather just sit back, watch and maybe learn something.
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Those 'scratches' intrigue me.
Perhaps they are adjustment marks, and not scratches? In 1795, did the U.S. Mint adjust their blanks?

If adjustment marks, this coin has to be straight graded, and not given a 'details' comment.

My problem is that I cannot quite make up my mind if they are pre strike adjustment marks, or post mint damage.
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Those 'scratches' intrigue me.
Perhaps they are adjustment marks, and not scratches? In 1795, did the U.S. Mint adjust their blanks?
If adjustment marks, this coin has to be straight graded, and not given a 'details' comment.


I'll answer this. TPG recognize Adjustment Marks as part of the minting process and therfor don't recive a details grade. Keep in mind adjustment marks are on the planchet pre-striking. Yes, they did adjust planchets during this period.

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My problem is that I cannot quite make up my mind if they are pre strike adjustment marks, or post mint damage.

Up to you.
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These are adjustment marks, no question. Most interested in the grade, but not something I would like to own - wouldn't give it a second thought.
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3 leaves & a scarcer variety (BB-18 rounded bust) - heavy adjustment marks, sharpness is fully VF35. The discolored spot on the reverse on the eagle's breast worries me a bit but this is not uncommon for circulated examples (I am using a NGC/CAC 45 for comparison here.) It has been cleaned a long time ago and that lowers the eye appeal for me because it makes the adjustment marks much more visible.

My grade VF35 details. Depending on the grader, PCGS may have gone XF40 full grade. The legs and upper hair are weaker than usual and I would think this is more likely due to wear than to strike given the relative sharpness of other areas of the bust and reverse.



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Those 'scratches' intrigue me.
Perhaps they are adjustment marks, and not scratches?


No perhaps about it

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XF Details - Cleaning
This coin looks like it was probably cleaned long ago.
Whether the TPG will note that, I don't know. I'm out of my element with this early silver.
Doesn't look sharp enough to be AU, but I'll be the first to admit I'm merely guessing here.
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This was very suprising. Most grades fell in the AU range or XF range. Personally I don't think it could be AU due to the rub on the eagle's breast and right wing.
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Nice coin.

This is a picture of the adjustment department at the U.S. Mint. These ladies' job was to weigh planchets and file them down if they were overweight so that the mint was not putting out coins that were over weight specifications. This was post Civil War and the adjustment methods were less crude than they were in the 18th century.

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Awesome pic NS that's a great piece of history right there!
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While I absolutely love flowing hair coinage, the carbon spot and those adjustment marks just kill the eye appeal of this piece for me. It's one of those "sweet coin, shame about the......" pieces.
FWIW, I would have guessed XF-40.
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The adjustment marks do suck. Though it's hard to find these with great eye appeal
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