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Quote:Here is one on ebay now and alongside it the picture from the PCGS grading guide of what VF35 should look like.. That's not how it works. The 37 d in the "what it should look like" picture is one of the best made dates of the series. Thew picture is too poor to tell but many buffalos especially early branch mint issues had striking issues. The picture is washing it out some as well, but date and mint marks matter. Quote:
Both of these are graded VF-30! Which would you rather have? The first one from PCGS. That one is actually an attractive coin while the other one was netted down for being cleaned |
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The new portrait of a vf 20  |
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Wow, coin-flipper! You win the prize for the most out-of-whack photo proof. 20 must a popular number to remember off the top of the grader's head. Overgrading has become a real problem.
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Newfoundland fishscale. MS-64? Seriously?   |
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enlarged picture is an old terrible secure plus scan impossible to judge from those hence they got rid of them
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That's not how it works. The 37 d in the "what it should look like" picture is one of the best made dates of the series. Thew picture is too poor to tell but many buffalos especially early branch mint issues had striking issues. The picture is washing it out some as well, but date and mint marks matter. I don't agree with this when it comes to grading. Maybe on mint state coins you could say MS-63 weak strike or MS-64 full feathers. But To give a circulated coin a higher grade just because some of the coins of that year were weakly struck doesn't wash. How would you know if the condition on a circulated coin was due to wear or poor strike. They would both look worn. Not all 25-D nickles are weak strikes. I like this F 12 better than the VF shown above. And the wowser shows some were struck just fine. I see some dealers grading stuff as excellent shape "for its age"! In other words not so hot.  |
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I like this F 12 better than the VF shown above. I think it's F-12. No tip on the horn and by ANA standards the highest it can be is F-12. As for the "VF shown above", the images are so bad I can't tell. |
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I don't agree with this when it comes to grading. Everyone is certainly free to use their own standards, but that is how it's done. Date and MM matter when it comes to grading which is why you can't compare the highest quality date to a lower quality one grade for grade. By all means everyone should buy how they want, but just because collecting as a whole doesn't follow someones personal standard doesn't mean they are overgrading Quote:
Not all 25-D nickles are weak strikes. Absolutely, and the nice ones that aren't command premium prices. Quote:No tip on the horn and by ANA standards the highest it can be is F-12. Going by just the horn or having a single design feature be a hard limiting factor was the old way of grading many decades ago and hasn't been how it's done for several decades now. |
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Here is another Geo.V nickle. The other side looks better but I would never call this AU-58 because of the side shown.   |
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SPP-Ottawa: Lot 1060, TCNC Auction, October 2015 Torex
I cut this out of its holder basically out of pure disgust... I would not even grade this one MS-64.
It seems hard to believe that someone at ICCS has conscientiously given your coin such a grade.
I wonder if the coin had possibly been evaluated as MS-64, but at the time of creating the certificate, a typing error had occurred (the numbers "4" and "7" are next to each other on the keyboard numpad).
If this is the case, it is still sad from a buyer's point of view, but it is an error easier to accept in my opinion versus a failed evaluation at this level. There's one way to find out for sure and I don't know why I didn't think of this in my earlier response. Ask ICCS to tell you the grade on their submission form copy. They have all of these on file. Just give them the ICCS cert number and they should tell you whether or not it was graded an ms67. The previous time it happened to me was on a 1967 gold coin, they typed in ms67, but on my submission form it was an ms64. Proof positive it was a typo, as I would be shocked if ICCS thinks that dollar is an ms67. If they do, then I might as well have 'Asyn' grade my coins. Edited by doubleeagle59
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I cut this out of its holder basically out of pure disgust... I would not even grade this one MS-64 Reminds me of when I finally found an ICCS graded MS-66 type 4 cent at auction. I opened the package with great excitement when it arrived! It was flashy, had a great overall look, and upon closer inspection...was in fact a type 3 cent that ICCS just totally dropped the ball on. |
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The 1922-1936 5 cent series is very difficult to grade and weak strikes were common and this has to be considered when looking at overall wear of the coin in determining a grade.
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If that is what they are calling MS-62, then my raw 1922 must be a 68! If a coin truly never circulated and is "mint state" they should use some kind of qualifier to note the poor strike. Somebody is going to go by the number on the slab and overpay for this NGC coin.
I think all they are going by is the remaining luster and ignoring the remaining details.
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How you supposed to know if it is a poor strike or wear. On circulated examples ( EF or lower ) it's difficult, however on a mintstate coin it is quite easy. If the lustre is undisturbed then it is a strike quality issue as A coins design can't wear if the lustre is still there covering it. |
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