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1941 / 2 Mercury Dime

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 Posted 09/25/2008  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also feel real bad for Klooccwork419 !


Bill/Chuck:


Next question,for educational purposes, if indeed this coin has been altered etc, do you know how it was done?

Inquiring minds( like mine) would love to know how this was accomplished.
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09/25/2008 1:10 pm
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 Posted 09/25/2008  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure of the process used on this one but there are many possibilities.

In this case, it looks like a 1941 that has been altered. According to one of my sources, it appears that the 2 was added.

The 2 could have been shaved from another coin and applied to this one with an adhesive. some 1909 S V.D.B. cents have had the "S" applied to 1909 V.D.B. cents that way.

If someone is real good, they can move the metal from the surface of the coin to create a nice extra digit or numeral.

A real pro could heat the coin and solder a digit in place. This coin having been cleaned may have involved the use of heat and the cleaning was used to remove the evidence of heat effecting the coin.

Another possible way (but I don't think so in this case) is to make a die from a 1941 dime then engrave the 2 into the die made from the 1941 dated coin. Then they strike a coin.

A punch may have been made with a portion of a 2 (I don't think so on this coin but I am listing possibilities)

There are some very deceptive counterfeit, die struck, 1909 S V.D.B. cents out there. Lots of deceptive , die struck, fake bust halves and gold coins too.

Even a mold can be made of a 1941, a 2 engraved and then silver poured into the mold. (Again a possibility but I don't think this was done to create this coin)

The ways to produce a fake are numerous and good fakes are out there. These are some of the possibilities. I am not sure which method was used to produce this fake.

What puzzles me is that since the coin was pronounced a fake, the person who originally posted the coin has not commented.
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09/25/2008 1:23 pm
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 Posted 09/25/2008  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
USUALLY - these are fabricated using a lot of care, a microscope, and molten silver solder. with tools to shape the figure onto a genuine coin.

SOMETIMES - the entire coin is a counterfeit, cast from a mold made from a genuine coin.

RARELY - these are struck using dies that were (rather elaborately) fabricated and genuine blank planchets.

Alterations generally never get by experts undetected. Counterfeits have gotten by experts and far more frequently than a lot of grading services would like to have to admit.
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 Posted 09/25/2008  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chuck,

Again...Nice call!

Bill
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wow..someone feels sorry for me!!..lol

Didnt buy it. So everyone can go back to sleeping at night.lol

Thank You.

And I'm still waiting for the info so Ill paste it here soon as I know.
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 Posted 09/25/2008  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bill and Chuck for the detailed explanation as to how this could have been done, appreciate the knowledge!

Amazing what someone would/could do to a coin to cheat/rob/hose etc someone else.


Kloccwork419- Feel real bad for you, not sorry for you.

Seriously- good luck with this, whatever way it turns out for you.

Chuck.
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 Posted 09/25/2008  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No.I own the coin. I nevr bought it , I just had alot of coins givin to me for a tattoo. I do tattoos and this is one that was in the bunch. I didnt know anything about coins til about a month ago. Now I'm hooked pretty bad.But I already received alot from the coins I did sell so this loss really isn't anything but a learning experience!
Plus I joke around ALOT so if I seemed like I was being an butt,I wasnt.

sorry. Just jokin with ya guys
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 Posted 09/28/2008  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an image of the two dates and why the coin can't be real. Good topic for searchers/buyers to know before buying a fake.
1941-/-2-Mercury-Dime
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 Posted 09/28/2008  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop, great composite image!
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