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1666 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Leopold I.

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1666 -- Kingdom of Sweden, 1/6 ore:

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1666 -- County of Loano, 1 luigino:

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Here are a couple coppers that are similar to @tdz's coins for today (in an inferior state of preservation). The first is from Lithuania and the second is from Poland, but they both are dated 1666 AD.

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 Posted 01/10/2021  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dombes 1665, 1/12 ecu.

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The sovereign principality of Dombes, located just outside Lyon in France, was in 1665 ruled by the princess Anne-Marie-Louise d'Orleans, cousin of the French king Louis XIV. She was known as La Grande Mademoiselle, since by inheritance she was also princess, duchess and countess of half a dozen other feudal states in France.

A 1/12 ecu weighs just 2.3 g, but despite its small size it was popular in the Levant and used extensively as a trade coin during the 17th century. According to some sources, it was used for adornment by the women of the Orient. Whatever the cause, due to its popularity, the original French royal 1/12 ecu (which I will show in a few days) lent its design to this and many other feudal "copies." That the coat of arms of the house of Orleans - used on this Dombes coin - is almost identical to the coat of arms of France was convenient. (The only difference is the label* above the fleur-de-lis.) The Dombes "copy" with the nice princess portrait, was in turn copied more or less directly by several Italian city states, with portrait, (similar) coat of arms and all, with time often with inferior silver content. The Italians called these coins luigino ("Little Louis"), after the original French coins portraying Louis XIV. The Loano coin shown by @pepactonius yesterday is an example.

* A label (or lambel) is in French heraldics used to indicate a cadet branch of a noble house. Anne's father, Gaston d'Orleans, was the third son of the French king Henry IV of house Bourbon. Bourbon's coat of arms (which also served as arms of France under the Bourbon kings) uses the fleur-de-lis.
Originally a label was a (decorative) add-on to the armorial carried by a knight's horse. A new term for me in this heraldic sense, had to look it up .
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Nice numismatic history!
I will stay in the French "feudal" world with this 1665 Duchy of Lorraine teston:
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Here is a 30 Groschen (1 Gulden) from Poland dated 1665 AD:

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Same here (variety with SALV obverse and PO reverse):

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1665 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 15 krajczar

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1664 Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth 30 groschen (= 1 gulden) Bydgoszcz mint:
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1664 -- Archduchy of Austria, 15 kreuzer:

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(my last coin from Leopold for this thread)

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Here is a Solidas from Poland dated 1664 AD:

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1663 -- Kingdom of France, 1/12 ecu:

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1663 Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth 1 schilling, Oliwa mint. For reasons I don't understand, the copper schilling was minted only at Oliwa (at the time a suburb of Gdansk) in 1663, and this location never minted coins before or after.
Maybe this had something to do with commemorating the signing of the Treaty of Oliwa just a few years before, which temporarily stopped the fighting between Poland and Sweden?
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