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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Jaunpur Sultanate billon tanka AH 828 (GG-J6)
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Looking good!

Now we are ready for 1424 C. E. (A. H. 827)
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For 1426 AD, I have this Goldgulden from the German Electorate of Pfalz.

Medieval gold two days in a row?
I think the rest of us can just hang it up.
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Medieval gold two days in a row? I think the rest of us can just hang it up.


Time to flip the calendar... Ready for 1423 C. E. (A. H. 826)

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Yah no more gold from me for a while. However, I do have this silver Blanc from France that was issued starting in January of 1423 AD. I have attributed it as Duplessy 462 and Roberts 3002.

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Fantastic!

The 7th is not gaining much ground on the 6th now.
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Following some Dutch auctions recently, I've become aware of some coins from the medieval County of Holland that are attributed to specific dates, I think via the "emission" assumptions we've discussed elsewhere, or perhaps via even more specific mint records (like Brabant, where there are detailed mint records available for much of the 15th century).
Here is a tuin (2 groot) from the County of Holland struck at Dordrecht by John of Bavaria, which is dated to an emission of 1422 by reputable auction houses like Heritage Europe and Kunker, (so presumably that means Van der Chijs or Grolle has assigned that date). Still the seller's photos, Heritage Auctions Europe:

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Nice one @tdz! Here is a billon Blanc datable to 1422 AD and minted in Rouen. I have attributed it as Duplessy 445 and Roberts 2963.


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Here is a tuin (2 groot) from the County of Holland struck at Dordrecht by John of Bavaria, which is dated to an emission of 1422 by reputable auction houses like Heritage Europe and Kunker, (so presumably that means Van der Chijs or Grolle has assigned that date).
Indeed something to the effect of "emission of 1422" in most auction records, though this MA Shops entry claims it was actually minted in early 1423.

I couldn't find much on Spence's Henry VI coin. He attributes it to "latter part of 1422 or beginning part of 1423" [sic] in this thread, and I found an auction entry that said as much (forgot where, unfortunately) but most others give much wider ranges.
In this thread Spence tantalizingly mentions having a coin dated 1422 with no further clarification; since the Henry VI coin is undated, it must have not been the coin referred to, but it's not implausible that Spence was simply mistaken about the date.

...so do we have a gap in our hands? As it turns out, no! (Or at least not with the data I have.)
Specifically, this post from 2021 features an Ottoman coin then in Spence's collection (hopefully still...) dated 825 AH, corresponding to 1422 AD. This must have been the "1422 - Spence" entry in my list, as it was actively cribbed from that thread.
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Well, I also respect Henzen. Maybe one of those other references they cite is more up to date. Van der Chijs is over 150 years old, so it wouldn't surprise if if there were some new findings since then, though I would also have thought Heritage (being Dutch) might agree with Henzen.
I'm missing 1423, anyhow
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Here ya go @j1m:

825 AH = AD 1422:

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