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1886-P Morgan Dollar On Ebay- Counterfeit, Cleaned, Or Proof?

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 Posted 05/27/2020  10:30 pm Show Profile   Check collector.detector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add collector.detector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Saw this was recently listed Morgan dollar.
It is definitely either counterfeit, clean, or proof or a combination.
I'd like to see what others think. If it is proof would it have markers?
the sellers photos are far from spectacular
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I vote for polished surfaces, with a little artificial toning thrown in for good measure. I can still see some old crud around the stars, and some lettering. Just a Morgan with "messed-with" surfaces imo.
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Just a Morgan with "messed-with" surfaces imo.


That's what I was leaning towards at 1st, I spent some time looking at it against an NGC graded example and and the obverse seems to have thick and "glob-like' lettering where the reverse has very flat lettering. The graded coin has semi raised letters that are uniform to both sides. If it's a fake they did a very good job.
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 Posted 05/28/2020  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks too good to be true...but I'm no Morgan expert
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Not a proof in my opinion- something doesn't sit right with this coin. The surfaces are strange for sure but I can't tell if it's legit or not.
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 Posted 05/28/2020  04:28 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it's a counterfeit. The reverse has a parallel top arrow feather, which is a design not used after 1879.
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The coin is a counterfeit as noted the post above. The straight arrow feather on reverse was only found on 78, 79 and 21.
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Thanks for the pointers, I did not notice that the arrow feathers didn't match up with the year. I reported the listing. But I doubt the seller knows it's a fake.
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I would stay far, far away
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Yep, phake. PAF as stated above.
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Learning new things everyday. Thanks CCF! You guys are great.
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Got an item number?
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It's overpriced even if it was real imo

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I'll take care of it.
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