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Coin I Read George 3 Of Copper

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 Posted 06/09/2020  08:04 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add manry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, I have now this coin, sure I dont want clean it so someone can help me to understand what is it?
Like always thx a lot to everyone
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 Posted 06/09/2020  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure where it is from, but it is not British.

It appears to have the name George - possibly III on the obverse. The arms on the reverse appears to have a harp, 3 fleur de lys, 2 lions but also a Germanic eagle, which made me think Hannover - but I can't make it fit to any of their designs. Another German state is possible, and there are also some similarities to coins from Milan, but again I can't find a good fit.

It may turn out to be a jetton with a contrived shield design...
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 Posted 06/09/2020  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
george 3 was not count of Hannover? maybe some Hanoverian coins?
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 Posted 06/09/2020  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes - he was Elector of Hanover/Hannover - which is why I went looking there, but sadly does not match.
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 Posted 06/09/2020  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very well so any idea is welcomed in the meantime best regards
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 Posted 06/09/2020  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fleur de lys were dropped from George III's royal arms in 1801, which may help narrow down the date of this piece. The harp was in the bottom left corner, not bottom right as here. The curved top of the crown looks more German than English.

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 Posted 06/09/2020  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it's Johann Georg III. There doesn't seem to be a e at the end and his hair is awefuly curly.
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Johann Georg III was Elector of Saxony 1680-1691. Why would a shield linked to him have the Irish harp?

The quartered shield looks very much like a botched pre 1801 British royal arms. I think PaddyB's explanation that it is a jeton is very likely.

( For non-UK readers, "botch" is UK slang to mess up something, or to do a poor job of work ).
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 Posted 06/10/2020  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why would a shield linked to him have the Irish harp?

Why would it be Georg instead of georgius? Or what would that m on the obverse be part of?

I see no reason why a botched Jetton couldn't have Johann George instead of King George III.
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 Posted 06/10/2020  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JoeTheLucky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would try searching it on coinoscope or by weight on Numista.
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 Posted 06/11/2020  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is not a coin, but a jeton or rechenpfennig, made for use in an abacus.
Many of those were made in Nurnberg, the most important manufacturing center of these rechenpfennig.

They often use portraits of known monarchs, like Louis XIV of France or George III of the UK, together with some shield, but always quite different to existing coins
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