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 Posted 11/18/2020  2:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mrpapageorgio to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
From the mint's website today (think this would be the best forum to post this):


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Dear Mint Customers,

I want to take this opportunity to speak to you about the Mint's approach to our numismatic program.

First off, the United States Mint is unique in that we are an agency of the Federal Government, and also a retail sales organization. The goal of our numismatic program is to serve the American people by producing coins and medals that tell America's story, are desirable to our customers, and generate net earnings. Net earnings not required for Mint operations are transferred to the United States Treasury general fund and ultimately benefit you, the taxpayer.

During my tenure as Mint Director, I have challenged my staff to come up with new and creative products to energize, excite, and expand the collector community. My team has met this objective on many occasions, most recently with our products honoring the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II and our collaboration with The Royal Mint commemorating the 400th anniversary of the trans-Atlantic journey of the Mayflower.

As we look to provide the market with innovative and interesting products, we engage in market research and solicit feedback from the numismatic community. Our forecasting team examines historical performance and gleans insights on current customer interests and also assesses any new product's overall potential. When we develop mintage limits for our numismatic products, we use our best efforts to come up with what we think are mintages that will satisfy customer demand and ultimately sell out. Contrary to the belief of some, we're not happy when a product sells out immediately —that means that we underestimated demand and disappointed many customers. On the other hand, we don't want to set mintages so high that we're left with unsold inventory, which results in additional expense when we recycle the coins and medals and dispose of the packaging. Finding the right number is part art and part science. Most of the time I think we're successful, but in the case of the World War II 75th Anniversary products we clearly underestimated demand.

As many of you are aware, a slowdown of the Mint's online sales website caused frustration for many of our loyal customers, who were unable to purchase their desired product. One contributing factor is that there were 390,000 users attempting to access the website during one time frame, which is more than triple the capacity we had planned for. I can also tell you that our solutions to prevent automated purchases by "bots" also put an immense strain on our website and can lead to unintended issues for other legitimate purchasers. The overwhelming demand for these products outpaced our website capacity in ways that we are still trying to better understand and remedy. That said, more than 75 percent of 75th Anniversary End of World War II products were purchased by the Mint's registered customers. I have asked my team to do a thorough analysis of what went wrong, and, by balancing capacity versus cost, come up with long-term, lasting solutions that will provide our customers with a vastly improved buying experience.

Also, we have different sets of customers purchasing our products, including individual collectors and dealers. We do not provide preferential treatment to any of our customers, be they individual collectors or professional coin dealers, and we have measures in place, both automated and manual, to ensure that household order limits are adhered to. We have seen an increase of activity by another sector of customers—buying groups who offer to pay a premium to individuals who purchase our high-demand products. This sector is one of the reasons you are seeing high prices for our products on the secondary market. The Mint has no control over what individuals do with their numismatic products once they are purchased. Some customers choose to add these coins and medals to their collections, while others choose to sell them for a profit.

In summary, I and my team are working to change the way the Mint has done business in the past. We endeavor to produce numismatic products that our customers will value. Along the way, we've made mistakes, and are doing our absolute best to learn from those mistakes. I thank you for your loyalty as a Mint customer, and look forward to your continued presence with us as we continue our journey of celebrating America through our numismatic products.

Sincerely,
Dave
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11/18/2020 2:47 pm
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At least they acknowledge they have a problem.
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 Posted 11/18/2020  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Corbe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What about when the server is slammed at 5AM (etc) on a non-release day when a few pieces are made available? Also 390,000 users?
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I'll take that as an apology. I'm glad they're acknowledging the problems.

I think the main thing they could do to make sure the coins go directly to actual collectors is to give buyers of the unlimited mintage coins in a series an earlier buying opportunity than others. This would also help alleviate the website traffic by spreading it out over time. Instead of spending tons of money increasing the website's capacity, they can likely spend less spreading out the demand. What percentage of those who ended up buying the v75 AGE directly from the mint have been buying the proof and burnished AGE's directly from the mint as well. I'd be surprised if it was 5%. I think that those who have been buying these should have definitely been given an earlier buying opportunity. The same should hold true for the ASE's, Innovation dollars, Sacagawea dollars, etc.

As for commemoratives, they just need to do a better job of market research. One thing they need to recognize is that coin collectors are overall more patriotic and more interested in history than the public at large. Therefore, coins commemorating such things as WWII or the Mayflower are going to be popular. Coins commemorating the basketball hall of fame, not so much.
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At least they acknowledge they have a problem.
The first step, as they say.
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If they thought that 30k 2019 ASE-S ERPs was going to be enough to meet customer demand, they're mad.
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The overestimation for the bicentennial coins still has an effect on them today.
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 Posted 11/18/2020  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw this today and my reaction was there is a smell of something in the air - and that is BS.


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When we develop mintage limits for our numismatic products, we use our best efforts to come up with what we think are mintages that will satisfy customer demand and ultimately sell out. Contrary to the belief of some, we're not happy when a product sells out immediately —that means that we underestimated demand and disappointed many customers.


They thought that a WW2 AGE would only be desired by 1945 of their customers?

Full disclosure, I was trying to buy one to flip and buy some classic collector coins. I still buy from the mint, but not like I did back when I started in the 1980's. As a matter of fact, I did not buy at all from about 2000 till 2014. They did not value me as a customer, so I stopped with the modern stuff.

He seems happy that 75% of the sales were to registered customers! Wait, what? How do you buy without being a registered mint customer?

Sorry David, your message rings hollow to me. Do better, value your customers.

BTW, you want to have a mintage that meets demand, do an open order period. Have a two week period that allows those interested to order, then mint that number.
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11/18/2020 6:53 pm
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The price increases for numismatic products is also an issue (with me at least).

This statement
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A main objective of the numismatic program is to increase the Mint's customer base and
foster sales while controlling costs and keeping prices as low as practicable.
has been in the Mint's annual reports for several years.

This is the statement from the Mint's press release raising prices
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The Mint's goal, as a fiscally responsible self-funded Federal agency, is to always provide the best quality numismatic products while maintaining fair prices.

The price hikes indicate to me that "fair prices" no longer mean "as low as practicable".

Also, public laws authorizing Commemorative coins typically include this language
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The coins issued under this Act shall be sold by the Secretary at a price equal to the sum of—
(1) the face value of the coins;
(2) the surcharge provided in section 107(a) with respect
to such coins; and
(3) the cost of designing and issuing the coins (including labor, materials, dies, use of machinery, overhead expenses, marketing, and shipping).
which essentially means the coins are to be sold at cost + the surcharge that goes to the external organization(s). Is the Mint complying with the laws?

The authorized surcharges were the same for both the 2019 and 2020 coins ($35,$10,$5 for the $5, $1 and $.50 coins) yet the price for the proof dollar, for example, went up from $1 face value+$10 surcharge+$48.95 costs to $1 face value+$10 surcharge+$63 costs. Did the Mint's costs for this coin really increase by 28.7% in one year? That doesn't seem likely to me, but if the costs did in fact increase by that amount then the Mint Director should be figuring out why and how to reign in those escalating costs. It seems more likely to me that someone at the Mint determined a "fair price" rather than the actual costs allocated to the coin.
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Didn't want to comment on the original post with the letter, but will say this here. I don't mind if they are selling some products with artificial scarcity. One of the joys of collecting is the treasure hunt of finding the rare pieces of the collection. Not fun when I can buy every year without a problem. The hunt makes it a little more fun. You have to jolt an interest back into coin collecting and creating buzz with a highly desired and limited coin helps. That said, you have to work on coins that are highly desired. Looking through the holiday gift guide they're trying to sell coins that you might just have to admit defeat and sell closer to spot. The gold 225th anniversary coin is going 3+ years and they only sold 30K of the 100K limit and the platinum coin is still on their site after 2 years. It's clear you're not listening to what coin collectors want. Get back to basics which is why I hope they do something good with the Peace/Morgan anniversary next year.

They also need to either do a better job with how they sell their products. The first improvement is doing a better job spreading these releases out (i.e. don't sell the gold WW2 eagle on the same day as the silver eagle when you know both will be a hot item and create worse problems for the website) and work on having a website that can handle the traffic (which shouldn't be that hard to do these days with cloud computing) to ensure people aren't having to hope the refresh button works for them. If that doesn't work, then they need to implement a pure lottery or at least a weighted one to give an advantage to people who regularly buy from them to reward loyalty. I don't mind as much losing out if people got through the site ahead of me, but seeing that my request can't be processed for the 100th time or having a system lock me out because it can't tell the difference between a human and a bot is a problem.

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